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SPECULATION Domhnall Gleeson in TFA

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by PrinceJ86, Sep 6, 2014.

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    What if it were used to enhance Luke’s own arc though.

    What’s more interesting?

    Luke has a kid who becomes a Jedi and saves the universe as a rehash of the past trilogy.

    Or…

    Luke has a kid who isn’t strong with the force and isn’t galaxy saver material. One who grows jealous of his father’s relationship with his cousin and eventually starts to entertain the dark side. A dark side of the force which allows him to finally reach into that Skywalker lineage potential forcing Luke to have to come to terms with the fact that his dismissal of his son’s ability has caused yet another Skywalker to fall into darkness.

    Or…

    Luke has a son who wants nothing to do with becoming a Jedi. He thinks the Jedi were part of the cause of the Civil War and wants nothing but to eradicate these religious war systems from Galactic politics all together. So he joins the empire to aid in tracking down all force users and subversively eliminate all of their grand war machines to correct the wrongs of a legacy of war which he believes was caused by his own bloodline.

    Not saying the first can’t work. But the latter two provide more meat for Luke’s own character arc whereas the first provides us with a new main character but very little emotional weight for Luke.

    If the emphasis of TFA is really on the OT heroes before handing it off to the new leads, then they need to give some heft to Luke’s story and what better way to do that than by calling to light the failures or betrayals of a son he has ignored either because of responsibility to protect the rebellion or due to his dedication to training his niece.
     
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    One of my first theories was Gleeson as Luke's son who falls to the dark side in VII and redeeming him is part of the plotline of VIII and IX alongside the reignited Galactic Civil War (although I have also theorized it will be a 3-party war of Republic/Empire/Reborn Sith)

    But there are lots of different ways they could make it work without making Gleeson part of the new big three.
     
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    I pick door number 3 but is redeemed in later movies.
     
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    I think plot option two might end up having more to do with Kylo Ren but not in that he's Luke's son obviously.

    Plot option 3 you list could work if for some reason Luke had to leave him at a young age and couldn't return and he now resents Luke for it.

    I would still rather him flat out be a Tarkin and just be an evil slime ball. He would sound good with that old school English Tarkin twang.
     
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    We've all got to stop being so shortsighted. Disney will be making (at least) one Star Wars movie a year for the foreseeable future. So, 50 years from now we could have anywhere from 30-60 (maybe more) new Star Wars episodes. It's time to start thinking of Star Wars as a large scale epic TV series like Game of Thrones, or LOST. Frankly, we are just at the very beginning of this story.

    Rey is very likely the lead for this next set of films. And she is very likely Han and Leia's daughter. Those two things just make too much dramatic sense. Number one, the first six films featured male leads (despite the fact that I always thought of Leia as a co-lead, when I was young). Two, female leads in sci-fi/ action franchises are all the rage now (see - Divergent, Hunger Games, Homeland, Twilight, Tomorrowland, Mortal Instruments, Terminator Reboot, etc, etc.)

    We spent three classic films building up the romance between Han and Leia, only to introduce a young female character that looks and acts a lot like them, who just (oops!) isn't their child. That seems needlessly convoluted to me. It would be a pointless waste of the ol' "mystery box." Like JJ Abrams is thinking "let's cast a girl who resembles Padme, Leia, and Han, and shares many personality traits with them and then just make her not related to them. Look how super duper duper super clever we are!!! Mystery Box..weeeeee!!! We fooled them all!!!"

    Also, there needs to be a male Skywalker heir. He doesn't have to be the focus this new "trilogy" but he needs to exist. If there is to be 20, 40, 50, or more Star Wars movies why eliminate the Skywalker surname only six episodes in? That name by itself is a "billion dollar brand." This movie is setting the stage for for a epic ongoing film series the likes of which we have never seen before in cinema. It's ok if they introduce a few divergent story strands, while focusing mainly on one distinct set of characters.
     
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    I'm totally for Rey being a solo and if Gleeson is a Skywalker it could be done in a really great way too.

    While there are some people who will agree with your assumption that they will just keep releasing Film after film after film there are also a lot of SW fans that would probably rather that not happen too.
     
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    Naturally. But we must consider that we all now exist in an entirely new entertainment consumption paradigm. People are demanding big epic serialized stories, and binge-consuming them like never before. Nobody has a problem with 60 episodes of Breaking Bad, or 100 episodes of Walking Dead, but talk about 20-30 episodes of Star Wars and everybody gets nervous. We all need to relax, because I believe we are about to be taken on one of the greatest thrill-rides in film history over the next few decades. Honestly, it's about to be Star Wars utopia. Get ready.
     
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    i nearly hit the 'report' button for that last comment ;) lol

    under the assumption that there will be films/trilogies past 7/8/9.. what they could do is veer away from the skywalker family and go down a completely different path with the story. that would then open the door for an epic skywalker comeback in years to come.. this would obviously mean that some skywalker offspring needs to be about the place somewhere.

    but.. if gleeson isn't a skywalker, and ridley isn't a solo then i'll eat my beloved R2D2 cap :)
     
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    But if they decide to go that route and get away from the Skywalker legacy then I don't think they should call it Episode X or so on.
    Start a new saga in the SW universe give the series a subtitle, Star Wars Legacy or whatever as an example.
     
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    i'm with you tbh @Paul Resendes

    i was throwing that into the air.. primarily because we're possibly (probably?) going to be moving away from GL's intended path.
    it was just an idea, but i'm not convinced it was one i like.

    please please please don't use 'Legacy' for a star wars film title though lol. i'm absolutely sick of that word.. Legacy nuked all of my precious canon.
     
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    It's just way too much happening for one movie. That's what I'm struggling with more than anything else at this point. I can see a lot of the rumours happening, but I struggle to see them happening in the one movie, all the while establishing new characters.
     
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    i know what you mean @AssyMcGee

    when december finally arrives (and it will.. have faith peeps) it's quite possible that we won't find out:-
    - who gleeson's parents are
    - who Rey's parents are
    - who Kylo Ren is
    - where Lord Lucan is

    chances are that we'll have more questions than answers when the end credits are rolling up.. which is kinda what us die hard fans need, don't we? questions to debate till ep8 and 9 come along.

    we're trying to give full back stories and plot the futures of every single person that's been cast in the movie - and that results in getting a very convoluted picture of what the film is going to be like. (which i love doing btw lol)

    most of the characters we're discussing in finite detail might only have minutes of screen time - some of them definately but we don't know which.
     
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    This is what I'm getting at I would feel like it was more original if it was revealed that Rey is a solo and though she isn't a Skywalker she carries the blood and therefore is still the hero of the final trilogy about the Skywalker family. Her story closes out the Skywalker trilogy of trilogies and then they do what they are going to do with SW but this family's story has come to a close. I personally don't need it to be spelled out in black and white that she is of Skywalker blood. I think it's cool that she has the name Solo because we know Leia is a Skywalker and if Han dies we still have remnants of him too.

    I think that sounds way more sound than dragging this story on and on film after film.

    So I once again state that I think would be cool if that Tarkin armband that was supposedly used in the movie ends up on the arm of Gleeson.:)
     
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    Just by looking at my avatar, everyone can probably already tell how I feel. :)

    I'm all for Gleeson being Luke's son. I have been since the very beginning. More than anything else, it's the one thing I've wanted for the next-gen characters.

    Why? First, I'm a huge fan of Luke Skywalker, and I'd simply like to see him have a child whose adventures we can follow long after Luke has become "one with the Force."

    But more, I think that giving us an ST with an overall arc which focuses on the children of each branch of the Skywalker line -- Luke's and Leia's, both -- makes for a very promising story line. It's certainly far, far more interesting to me than a story where Leia and Han's line lives on, while Luke's comes to an end.

    I know some feel Luke's legacy is meant to center on establishing a new Jedi Order (and that, alone). But I'm hopeful Luke will see, not only that new Order, but a biological son, to carry things forward, as well.


    As to the nature of the new rumor, specifically? I think that it sounds pretty terrific. A misguided act which -- while grounded in good intentions -- actually turns a Cold War hot and ultimately sets the future of the Star Wars franchise in to motion?

    Yes, please!
     
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