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Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by BB-Rey, Sep 15, 2014.

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Would you like it if Darth Plagueis was the villain of the Sequel Trilogy?

  1. Yeah! He is a very interesting character!

    352 vote(s)
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  2. No thanks, Plagueis is dead.

    189 vote(s)
    22.9%
  3. Nope! He never actually existed.

    29 vote(s)
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  4. Yes, but he is in the movie as a corpse.

    20 vote(s)
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  5. He will be mentioned in another "throwaway line" only.

    28 vote(s)
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  6. He is Snoke in disguise.

    12 vote(s)
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  7. Yes, his death was a ruse.

    92 vote(s)
    11.1%
  8. I don't care either way, brah.

    74 vote(s)
    9.0%
  9. Of course, who else would you choose?

    30 vote(s)
    3.6%
  1. sbs87

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    Dude put your resume in with Fakingstarwars.net...
     
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    OMG! Is this the same "Credits" character from all the other Star wars films? I love that they are hearkening back to the previous movies.
     
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    Adam Driver is 31 - Daisy Ridley will be 23 this April.

    What?
     
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    I was thinking the same thing
     
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    People play different ages all the time. Even in STAR WARS. The classic example Shaw was late 60s playing a mid forties Vader. My point is I could see Ridley cast as someone a few years older and driver cast as 5 years younger.
     
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    I don't necessarily think it will happen, but it's certainly possible. They're only 8 or so years different in age, and especially if Driver's face is obscured in some fashion during the movie, it wouldn't be too difficult a plot point to suspend disbelief for.
     
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    Ok. Let's assume that Sidious lied. What does he have to gain by lying? Nothing. What's the point pretending to be the ruler of the Galaxy and then secretly answering to his Master he pretended to kill? If he did lie, where the hell has Plaguies been all these years?It makes for a mess of a story.

    He's dead and he will be until there is concrete evidence that states otherwise. Now that evidence may show up in TFA. If it does, I'll accept that Plagueis is alive and well. However, I hope that they come up with a better storyline than saying that Sideous lied.

    There is very little evidence pointing to Plagueis being in the movie as we know very little about "Uber". There was one rumor saying he was zombie-like but I forget what source that can from and if it still can be considered a legitimate rumor. If that rumor is legitimate than there is a small amount of evidence that could be argued that points towards Plagueis. But that could be said about any other dead Sith Lord as well.
     
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    Ezra would be Luke's age. Kylo Ren is most likely half of that.

    Explain how she was trained as a Jedi, then.

    Is there any real proof that carbonite freezing slows aging? It caused temporary blindness, so I really doubt it.

    Oh, she's 23? I read that she was 17 or something. My bad!

    Still - that's a big age gap. Not really twin material.
     
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    It's star wars they can pass it off, them being twins I mean.
     
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    Well Hamill is 63 and Carrie Fisher is 58 and they're "Twins"
     
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    No big deal! Yeah I'm not sure I see them being twins either. But who knows? Crazier things have happened.

    As an aside - I haven't read the entirety of this thread, but it seems like there's a general consensus here that Darth Plagueis won't be the villain of the sequel trilogy. While I agree that it is likely a long shot, I do hope that JJ and co. find some way to justify the existence of a sequel trilogy; that is, I don't want Star Wars, after Episode IX comes out, to be a 6-part saga with a bonus trilogy slapped on the end. I'd like them to craft a story that turns it into a 9-story arc, one that, once we see the new trilogy, makes it obvious that ROTJ was not the end, but just the finale of the second act of a story whose main threat had not been addressed and had yet to challenge the side of good. I do believe incorporating Plagueis as sort of a puppet master of the entire series gives it that cyclical quality that I'm looking for, but I'm open to something else that JJ can come up with that gives the sequel trilogy the feel of a third act, of finality to the core saga. I just hope Disney doesn't keep making these movies so far into the future that we'll get to Star Wars Episode XXXVI: The Horse Is Already Dead For Christ's Sake, Please Leave It Alone.

    I'm not averse to them making more Star Wars movies after IX, I just don't want them to dilute the core saga and milk it until it reaches Land Before Time status. If you're going to make more Star Wars movies, make an Old Republic era saga, a trilogy or two focusing around the advent of the Jedi and Sith. All of the EU stuff addressing that isn't canon anymore, so that part of Star Wars history is wide open and is just money sitting there waiting to be made.
     
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    I really doubt ole Plagueis is the villain, because of the fact that a muun (if he was humanish, I'd have no problem with it) doesn't look anything intimidating, but rathter completely stupid. That and all the additional explaining needed to make him fit in the ST will make it incredibly dumb.
     
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    and its quite easy to set up another puppet master, this happened in the EU a plenty of times, and those guys did something, the didnt just wait to be killed.
    all of those guys lived long and prosper and had some large scale plans(centuries or millenia).
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_Emperor
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Freedon_Nadd
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Exar
     
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    I have faith they'd be able to make a Muun (or whatever species they'd choose for him) look menacing and depraved. As for additional exposition, there wouldn't be much needed at all. A simple mention along the lines of, "My misguided apprentice, Sidious . . ." would inform audiences of his status among the Sith and of his nature as the overarching puppet master of the series, and his name would be revealed later on just through dialogue. There wouldn't even need to be a small monologue, which personally I wouldn't be entirely opposed to if it were done well.

    Again, do I think this likely? No. But could it be well done and help wrap up the entire narrative in a beautiful, symmetrical way? Yes.
     
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    I doubt a puppet master would be needed like Jabba in TROTJ, I think a actor would play him well, cue a lot of makeup needed.
     
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    Puppet master in terms of pulling strings to set his plan in potion, just like palpi pulled strings in the clone wars.
     
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    StarWars.com seems to be catching on ...

    http://www.starwars.com/news/6-of-palpatines-key-manipulations?linkId=13097240


    Telling Anakin about Darth Plagueis.
    The opera house scene in Revenge of the Sith has galactic repercussions. Palpatine tells Anakin the story of Darth Plagueis the Wise and hints that the Sith could manipulate midi-chlorians and prevent death (this scene leads many fans to believe Palpatine was responsible for bringing Anakin into existence) and thusly exploits Anakin’s feelings and concerns for Padmé. Palpatine reveals he learned from Plagueis and talks to Anakin about the dark side. He takes Anakin to the edge of a precipice.


    A bit odd they didn't include the EU events of what's happened, as they appear to be doing on other similar articles.
     
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    After re-reading "Darth Plageuis" and pondering the possible plot and story for SWTFA, would it be possible that Plageuis transferred his essence, unknowingly, to Darth Sidious? If DP is the "main villain" in TFA, could he have survived by being transferred then to Vader (briefly) when vader killed him and then to Luke, when Vader died in his arms? Thus, the possible "Crazy old Luke" scenario could be Plageuis reasserting himself. I know "Darth Plageuis" is not cannon (at least not yet)... thoughts?
     
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    The character Plagueis is canon, but the book titled after him isn't.
     
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    Yes, I understand that. Is it possible that the book will be made cannon after Episode 7 or 8 comes out?
     
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