SPOILER Ahsoka - Part 1, Master & Apprentice

Strange. I thought they played really fair with this. I’m surprised so many folks seem to have an issue. She was stabbed on the side and Ahsoka was right there. Of course she wasn’t dead. Didn’t strike me at all as them trying to fake anyone out.

 

Do you have a problem with people criticizing something you like? Does everyone have to share your opinion in order for you not to resort to personal insults? Wow.

 

Do you not comprehend "I love seeing the different ways that fans take things in"? @DeeRush

What personal insult? - I agreed with you, SARDONICALLY!!
After thanking you for posting for crying out loud. Holy moly.

Here let me try again, more plainly this time:

Calling Ahsoka Tano a Jedi KNIGHT is VERY ANNOYING.


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Criticism never concerns me. But explaining a joke sure does.

 

I'm late to the game because I wanted to sit on my initial reaction for a while. There are a number of things I enjoy about the show -- the visuals are awesome and the music evocative -- but I was bothered by the story (at least so far.)

The cold opening was awesome and I love our two baddies. But I found myself annoyed by the whole cosmic map plotline. Really Dave? Thrawn was lost in space. How was his location 'discovered'? And why was it put in a digital map? And why was it hidden inside an ancient temple? And why oh why did it need to be hidden in the first place? It felt like some weird homage to TFA's plotline with Luke. I loved TFA but that plotline was one of its weakest parts. At least in the movie it made more sense than a map to Thrawn's location did.

And while our reintroduction to Sabine was visually interesting, it felt like a lazy rip-off of the JJ's Star Trek reboot with a young Captain Kirk. If I was supposed to view it as a 'movie homage,' why is a Star Wars show honoring Star Trek??!?

The other thing that I found bothersome was the interactions between the Ghost Crew. While some here thought the long pauses between their comments to each other added more weight to them, I found them awkward. Like others here, I loved the music but the reason viewers noted the background music upon first viewing is because it stood out with all the long pauses in the dialogue. I know that time has passed since the end of Rebels, but the old chemistry behind Ahsoka, Hera, and Sabine felt weirdly absent. I have been a fan of Dawson's Ahsoka but her adult version here felt too much like a loner instead of an old teammate.

I don't want to sound like a Donny Downer but I was surprised that the same person who wrote such brilliant SW episodes like Mando's The Jedi and TBoBF's From the Desert comes A Stranger, wrote these first two episodes. I know series openings can be hard so I'll stay the course. I'm not giving up the ship. It may well become better. And who knows? Maybe some of you who've loved these first two can help me see The Light.

 

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Ashoka reminds me of my FMA instructor, stoic, patient, thoughtful, long pauses when discussing tactics, so for me the long pauses did not hinder my enjoyment... it felt sort of real.

When Huyang states that Hera is a hologram, and Hera just stares, is a bit jarring, but it still got a laugh from me, however, I can clearly see how that could bother some... nonethelss, art is subjective.

Sabine constructed a weapon for the Empire that destroys Beskar to her dismay and regret: Season 4, "Heroes of Mandalore," Star Wars Rebels revealed that Sabine Wren had designed a weapon called an Arc Pulse Generator. The weapon is outfitted to a two-legged walker, and it creates an electrical pulse that can incinerate the Mandalorians' beskar armor.

Therefore, Sabine is not just an artist, she is a warrior, a Mandalorian, and a scientist, also, She doesn't follow rules well, so much so, she was estranged from her Mandalorian Clan. So whoever watched Rebels would know this is not new Sabine.

 

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I found that establishing scene comically confused. I mean, she WAS going to the ceremony, right? That’s why she was in town. She wasn’t there coincidentally getting groceries. Picking up space kitty litter or something. Ryder fully expected she’d be there like she’d agreed to it.

So, she said she’d show up, then totally bailed on a public speaking engagement - right at the last minute? Instead of just paying the smallest of kindly courtesies to say “I can’t do this?” That’s a royal dick move, man. Not so much a ‘rebel’. More of an ‘a$$hole’. She could have just stayed home.

The scene, in premise, is fun. But I was honestly distracted by the character’s motivation. Why was she even there? Why was this even happening? Y'know?

 

Damn, I for one didn't think about it thst deep at all. That's a good point but.. eh, I also liked the scene anyway

 

I like the scene just fine. It just had that flavor of having the idea first and then working to justify it second. I didn’t believe Sabine would have bothered to show up there at all. And I didn’t believe Ryder would have bothered to round her up like that afterward. So the whole scenario was a bit contrived and false to me . . . but fun.

Gotta say the Star Trek comparison is pretty silly though.

 

Calling her a former Jedi and leaving it at that, would have been perfect.


When it comes to being called a Jedi Master; Anakin's argument, has no legs to stand on.

 

Pondering out of curiosity: could it be that, kinda like the Sequel Trilogy Map, the map doesn’t lead to Thrawn himself, but a proor location, and Thrawn, or whatever is trying to communicate with Morgan, gave her enough clues to know to use the map to find the hidden path? The purgill just took him to that location that was already mapped (which, based on the purgill on the path to that location, seems to be a common place for them to go)

 

I've been a Star Trek fan since 1975 and I've also been a Star Wars fan since 1977. ( I've watched all the films & TV series for both franchises multiple times over) I'm not gatekeeping at all just stating, I was a Star Trek fan before I became a Star Wars fan. I fully understand @Darth Derringer analogy, however the parallels do not match up, simply because Sabine hasn't drastically changed in character as Captain Kirk did, besides her hair being longer, she is now a commander, and hasn't fully matured, even though she is a bit older. She needs more discipline and training. I thought watching Rebels wasn't a requirement to fully understand these characters but more and more I'm starting to doubt that.

Ironically the same issue plaguing StarTrek is the same issue plaguing Star Wars today. The lack of good science fiction/fantasy writers attached to both franchises. For example, in Star Trek: Strange New Worlds, instead of creating and developing the Gorn, an alien species from the original 1960s Star Treks tv series, for today's audience into a plausible modern day alien villain, the writers ripped off the aliens from the Aliens franchise... OMG, I could not believe the writers are so creatively bankrupt. I could not believe the emergent Gorns were bursting out of human host, popping out of chest, stomachs, and other adjacent torso areas. ( Strange New Worlds is fun to watch, but if you are a well read science fiction aficionado, canon junkie, or lore hound you might get a bit confused or upset)

My friends aren't sci-fi fans so they asked me should they take their kids to see JJ Abrams 2009 Star Trek film? I said, of course, its a fun movie, simply because they are general movie goers they don't care about Star Trek lore/canon. I was right, the next day they thanked me because they enjoyed the film especially the new LT. Uhura Zoe Saldana, however, hardcore Star Trek fans dislike the film very much.

Most of the writers and directors are just fans making highly budgeted fan films. If you have ever watched the fan films on Star Wars.com thats what we are getting today, with the exception of Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau. Jar Jar Abrams paradoxically has damaged both franchises somewhat IMHOP

 

That's because Obi Wan chopped them off.

 

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