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Anakin force ghost a new perspective

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by playswellwithsharks, Sep 25, 2016.

  1. playswellwithsharks

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    What caused Anakin/Vader at the end of Empire to be inducted into the newly Jedi discovered force ghost secrets?

    At the end of the ROTS Yoda reveals the Jedi have discovered a means of coming back, making anakins ill judged decisions all the more bitter sweet, as a lot of his errors in judgment were on account of trying to save padame's life.

    At the end of ROTJ Anakin is redeemed by Luke whom had Luke not intervened would have carried on with no qualms ruling the empire with Emperor palpatine.

    Did Yoda and obi-wan over watch there final battle?
    Did Luke learn these rights from from Yoda and administer then to Vader as he lay dying?
     
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    In my opinion, Force Ghosts sort of watch over everything, although they don't have the ability to intervene or influence events (other than offering information and suggestions). I always assumed that Obi-Wan and Yoda were aware of Luke's heroic choices during the final battle.

    I sure hope Yoda taught Luke how to come back as a ghost - but I never thought that Luke taught Anakin. I think it's pretty clear that Luke is still hoping to save Anakin's life when Anakin starts dying, and then Luke has to hurry up and get off the Death Star II. It doesn't make sense to me that there could've been an off-screen meditation lesson between these two events.

    I always thought that, since Vader is clearly surprised in ANH when Obi-Wan disappears, this "plants the seed" that a new technique is available. Since Anakin is the chosen one who is stronger in the Force than anyone else, he is able to figure the rest out himself. It is possible he also senses the ghosts of Yoda and Obi-Wan and this gives him another "hint," but there is no proof of this.
     
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    You raise some really good points here and I agree, I don't believe Luke showed Anakin how to do it, I doubt Luke himself would even know just yet. We see time and time again Vader spends a large amount of time in his Meditation Chamber, in here we don't really know what he's studying he could be doing exactly that, teaching himself how to transcend of sorts. Which might have started as a how to find and finish those who betrayed him, but then became his way to find peace with his fellow Jedi?

    Just a thought, I had about it :)
     
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    He didn't come back right away so his Jedi ghost in the spirit world was probably contacted by obj wan and qui-Ginn jinn in the spirit world and by the time they celebrated he was truly one with the force.
     
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    The intention was originally that Yoda and/or Obi-Wan were able to bring him back.
    The Annotated Screenplays book explains:

    In the rough draft… Ben explains that… if "Vader becomes one with the dark side of the Force, he will lose all identity. If he turns to the good side, he will pass through the Netherworld" and in the revised rough draft, Yoda "will rescue him before he becomes one with the Force."
     
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    Seeing as how he was a being created exclusively by the Force, I would think that Vader may have indeed had an idea on the process that could lead to becoming a Force Ghost but being evil would always make him fail as he would always have to contend with these lovely ladies.
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    Anakin's connection to the Dark Side and his selfish nature would have made him fail at the trials that the Force Priestesses would give him and thus he would fail to gain the wisdom to become a Force Ghost. Once Vader discarded these things and turned to the light, his spirit would then have the purity and the knowledge he needed to pass the trials as Yoda did and he would indeed be able to come back just as Yoda and Ben Kenobi did.

    Oh yeah and Jar Jar too!
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    Don't forget that he was the chosen one so he kind of gets a pass on that. Also, he BECAME Anakin the second he renounced the Sith effectively "killing" Vader. No one knows the exact amount of time he took from the DS battle until he showed up as a ghost.
     
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    Let's not forget that Anakin spoke with Yoda on the idea of retaining one's identity after death. He expressed interest in it, for obvious reasons. Who's to say that he didn't start doing some independent research as a Sith Lord, but realized that the way was blocked to him? And then when he died, Yoda, Obi-wan, and Qui-gon vouched for him to the Force Priestesses, and he was taught how to retain his consciousness and manifest himself.
     
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    This part was in ROTS, right? They were talking as Jedi. As a sith lord, he was so consumed in that state that he would have a literal road block mentally and spiritually speaking in attaining that goal. He was able to mentally communicate with the literal fore with the cells of his body and the force itself to become a force ghost between the ds and endor.
     
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    That was in Season 6 of TCW. It was the arc where Yoda starts hearing Qui-gon's voice and everybody thinks he's going crazy, so he goes to the Force Planet and learns the secret of immortality through the Force from the Force Priestesses. During one of the episodes, he asks Anakin if he thinks retaining one's consciousness after death is possible. Anakin is one of the few Jedi who don't dismiss it out of hand, and he shows interest in the idea.
     
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    I think the official story is that Anakin had help from beyond in learning the secret - although what force was responsible for this is left deliberately vague. My guess is that, based on the way that the story's been going, Ahsoka has something to do with it (since we know she's alive, or at least not "dead" in a traditional sense - thanks to the Sister's influence, no doubt).
     
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    We should also take into account the fact that all lifeforms become one with the force upon death, and the force exists independently from "laws" such as time. This means that Anakin can spend as long as required to master the technique, and theoretically appear to Luke at any time after his death.
     
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