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SPECULATION What if Kylo Ren is confronted with Force Ghost Anakin?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Porkin's Beans, Apr 10, 2016.

  1. Porkin's Beans

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    I Haven't been on here for a while, but I had this intriguing thought which I thought was worth mentioning. Even though this may seem like heresy to dig up Hayden Christiansen, what do you think would happen if Force Ghost Anakin would confront Kylo in episode 8 or even episode 9?
     
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    Kylo Ren would explode from joy.
     
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    ...and then be immediately dismayed when Anakin lays into him about how backwards he's managed to get it all.

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    In The Art of Star Wars: The Force Awakens there is concept art of Anakin's force ghost. It seems they were contemplating the idea that his force ghost would flow back and forth between the light and the dark.

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    I wonder if it's possible that Kylo has already encountered Anakin's force ghost, either as Ben when he was a youth or as Kylo after he turned.

    Kylo did say to Vader's burnt mask: "Show me again the power of the darkness." I may be reading too much into that line of dialogue, but it does sound like he's had some kind of previous force encounter with Vader, whether it be a dark side vision or even a false apparition created by Snoke.

    It'll be interesting to see how they handle force ghosts in the ST. I'm guessing at some point Kylo will encounter the ghost of his grandfather.
     
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    Not sure that Force ghost Anakin has to preach anyone. Karma is heavy.
     
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    I've thought of this idea myself, and it would seem so have lucasfilm. I personally like the idea of Anakin appearing to Kylo, perhaps just before a large moment in the series. Perhaps Kylo does not think that he can be redeemed after what he has done and Anakin appears to tell him you can always be redeemed. I still think Kylo is the one most likely to kill Snoke.
     
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    I just mentioned this in another post, but I think Anakins force ghost might appear to him and possibly be the one to turn him back to the light. This would probably happen towards the middle to endingish of episode IX
     
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    all kidding aside, i don't think Kylo Ren's that confused about what business of his grandfather's he's trying to finish.
    i think he absolutely has good intentions, he's just going about it in the worst imaginable way because he's been sold a bill of goods by Snoke.

    i think he might have interacted or had some vision with Anakin at some early point in his life, but the communication's gone muddy since he got mired in the Dark.
    as he crawls out of the hole he's in, perhaps Anakin will come back and be a part of what helps him toward some clarity.
     
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    Well if he doesn't have a complete mental brakedown from seeing his grandfather & Anakin gives him some useful advice & not just rip him a new one for being so delusional in what he is doing then yes this maybe ne what finally brings him to his senses & return to the light.

    Unfortunately I don't think they are going to meet & Kylo's redemption is going to very hard & messy & he may not survive it
     
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    Vader did not survive his redemption, so you might be right. I wonder if there is a Mrs. Ren to give a new generation of Skywalkers?
     
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    he'll survive it. Luke & Leia won't let him perish.

    no Mrs. Ren, though, that's just silly ~
    ~ she'll be a Mrs. Solo ~ hahaha
     
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    I have hard time picturing Anakin's Force ghost being anything but Light side. When we saw him at the end of RotJ (whichever age ghost you prefer :rolleyes:), he was with the other Light side-only ghosts, giving the happy ending vibe that practically had rainbows and fluffy bunnies hopping around it. I guess I would wonder what was the point of redeeming him if he's just going to pop over to the other side whenever the mood takes him? And do Dark siders get to be Force ghosts when they die, or do they just kind of cease to exist except when they actually aren't dead and grow mechanical spider legs? :confused:

    My hunch is that if young Ben did have an encounter with Anakin, it has long since been twisted and manipulated by Snoke, or was originated by Snoke in the first place. As you say, maybe Kylo believes that there was some demonstration of the Dark side in that visitation (whatever it was) and that is why Kylo uses the word "again"...

    Is it possible that Dark siders aren't able to see visitations from Force ghosts, because they're all Light siders? In that case, it makes sense that Kylo hasn't had any real contact with Anakin and has to keep communing with the helmet (that must get kinda boring :p).

    But if Anakin does reappear and helps Kylo get his head on straight, I won't complain. (Well, I probably will, but not a lot. :D)
     
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    My interpretation is similar. He's having the fake conversation with the helmet, and "the call to the light" he mentions are the force ghost jedi trying to connect with him. He blocks them out, because snoke has coached him to watch out for Darth Vader's weakness of being called back to the light... He has not yet seen the truth, and continues to live in his echo chamber.
     
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    I agreed I doubt Leia will allow Luke to do something like this, a protective mother she is.
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    I think Anakin might reply, "Dude is that all you did?" "What the hell, I murdered a school full of children and you killed your dad, so what, man up, see a therapist and pick up your cell phone and call ole Luke, you remember him, he's smarter than you are." :)
     
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    Agree. I reckon he sticks to the Light side of the Force.

    I reckon that "vision" he had with his grandfather was a fake one originated by Snoke.
     
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    I like the idea of Anakin aka the Light side ghost trying to get through to Kylo, trying to help him out of the darkness and trying to bring him back, while Darth Vader aka the Dark side ghost tries to keep him in darkness. Much like an angel & devil on the shoulder thing. I think it is unlikely to happen, but if Kylo has had contact with Kylo before, why did Kylo choose the dark path? Surely his redeemed grandfather would want to keep him on the light path, rather than inspiring him to take the dark.

    (anakin ghost)(kylo ren)(vader)
     
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    If they bring in Hayden as Force Ghost Anakin into this trilogy I will throw my drink and Butterfinger Bites at the screen.

    In fact, if we see any ghosts other than maybe Yoda appearing to Luke, or Luke appearing to Rey or Kylo, this trilogy can go **** itself. The story needs to move forward, not backward.
     
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    With that logic wouldn't having yoda be moving backwards or anything from the pt and the it for that matter ?
     
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    I think this will be this closes to us all seeing that happen.
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