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Ancient Sith History

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by General Magma, Sep 8, 2014.

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Do you think there will be Ancient Sith History in SW:EP7?

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  1. General Magma

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    How would you feel about the inclusion of ancient Sith history,
    including elements from the EU (hopefully KOTOR) in SW Episode VII, or maybe the sequel trilogy overall? Do you think we'll get to see or hear anything about it, and if so, how do you think they will do it? How do you think they should do something like that?
     
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    I strongly suspect that there will be some backstory about the Sith included in the new films. However I also think that it's very possible that the Sith history as presented in the ST will be different than what's been established in the EU books, KOTOR, etc.

    Assuming that there is something to the "ancient fear" rumors, and that the villain in the ST will have some connection to the ancient Sith, I would assume that they would probably handle the historical exposition via holocrons or something along those lines, rather than through standard flashbacks.
     
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    Agreed! Unfortunately, for fans of the EU, I think alot of former canon will be over-written re: the years between Episode VI and VII as well as some of the Old Republic era history.

    Just for the records, NOT an EU fan so I am fine with this.
     
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    I do think the same - that they'll probably overwrite lots of the EU stuff.
    I'm mainly a fan of the Old Republic era so I hope they will still keep a lot of backstory from that intact,
    especially the story of KOTOR 1 & 2. But as long as they keep the basic things AND manage to make GOOD changes,
    I'm willing to accept them as a part of the canon. But they shouldn't need to change too many things. They could also just take the story
    and have a few minor tweaks, etc. If they were to merely look at KOTOR 1 & 2 plus the comics, adapting the works shouldn't be nearly as much as every post-ROTJ story published would've been. (Which, in the end, is the reason they decided to move that to "Legends".
    They can't be expected to squeeze a story into 30+ years of published stories, but most of the TOR era isn't that huge, if I remember correctly.)
    At least they used Korriban (even if they changed the name) so I think they've got plans to put some TOR history back into the canon.
    Either in new TOR material or as ancient Sith history in the ongoing saga.
     
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    George seemed to be taking opportunities to explain what the force is all about and would likely have put a lot of history in the treatments. I don't know about using or overwriting EU but I don't think they are or should adhere to any preconceived timelines. George is very specific about the nature of the force and it doesn't jive with a lot of EU in small and large ways. Certain aspects are likely to be brought into canon...Revan and Bane were going to be in the last episode of the Mortis arc but they couldn't figure out a way to make the logic of Sith separating from the force work. Later they used Bane and Bane's characteristics in an obviously-illusion avatar form.

    Point being that Revan and several of his characteristics are likely to be made canon at some point (which I'm fine with) though the Bioware cliche storyline in it's current form will likely not (which I'm also fine with). We'll see if it's this movie that happens or later. The Darth Ruin idea could be legit but just a production name for a more familiar character.
     
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    ROTS was the most revealing movie about the sith. We do know however they ruled the galaxy once before.
     
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    The development of the Sith backstory is going to be crucial to the success (or failure) of the sequel trilogy. One of the main reasons Star Wars ruled all back in 77 was Darth Vader. You gotta have a great, seemingly invincible villain to make the story compelling.

    I expect some history to be revealed. And I'm hoping that cloning technology will be employed to bring about reincarnations (or resurrections) of historically powerful Sith Lords.
     
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    The Sith are pawns of the ancient fear. Be damned, give the kids what they want.
     
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    ^^^This. I actually believe that the dark side villains in the ST will be so menacing and so tough for the heroes to deal with that they could end up being the most popular aspect of the films (ala Vader in the OT). Vader made this franchise, and Darth Maul was arguably so under-used and prematurely terminated that I can see Disney and KK making sure that the dark side is in full effect and on full display in this trilogy...beginning with the first installment. Besides, JJ wouldn't be able to resist doing this anyway :p

    Dark Double Dark SideDominating
     
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    Yes, agree totally about the Old Republic backstory. It's so old in terms of where the current series is now I don't think alot of it needs to be changed or overwritten, at least in characters. Course, as I write this, I recall that they just changed the Sith homeworld from "Korriban" to "Moraband." I don't have too many qualms about things like this however, as Moraband -- derived from the word Moribund -- is supposed to symbolically conjure images of death.

    At any rate I would love to see stories about Bane and all the other ancient Sith and how the Rule of Two came about even though I generally know. TOR just a wealth of untapped potential.
     
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    Please, to the moderators, you may want to delete my previous post, as it might be considered spoilerish. Nevertheless, I have included that same content here, with the proper SPOILER tag. My greatest apologies.

    I really like all those rumours about Darth Ruin and Sith history playing a big role in the ST, at least as the background for the new adventures. I cannot recall where I have read this but, supposedly, Lucas' ideas (basic "plotline") for a sequel trilogy were along the same line (thinking and discovering about the origins of the Force and the Light and the Dark sides, and so on).
     
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    This is something that I would very much like to see explored.

    We're six films, 5 animated series, and two made for TV movies into the saga, and we still know next to nothing about the Sith, really.

    I'm not referring to EU material here, I'm talking specifically in how the Sith have been portrayed and explored in filmed material.
     
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    I'm leaning closer to the ancient force theory...
     
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    I still say a working theory is LUKE SKYWALKER is the Achient Fear.
    He may be the source or conduit to channel the immense Force power.
    That's why the remaining Imperial Forces & Darth Plagius need to track Luke down.
    I think Han & Leia may know or have a good idea where Luke is but agree to keep it secret after the WMD incident.
     
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    I wouldn't throw around Ancient Fear anymore since that has been debunked.
     
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    There is NO ancient Fear... that was from AICN and complete BS as everything else associated with the post was also wrong.
     
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    Maybe having their history be rather ambiguous. That way we can see what is evil, but we don't know why. Hence part of being tempted to the Dark Side: just trying to understand it.

    Maybe?
     
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    NOOOO!
    That's not possible!
    :D

    Well that sounds pretty definate. Harry Knowles has been debunked & discredited on other films/media.
    His non fiction book is a good read though....
    TFM
     
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    Def but I'm sure we will get more lore through new books too.
     
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    Where was Plagius throughout the first 6 movies? Why did no one on the Council sense anything with the Force? Why didn't Anakin keep bringing Plagius up to the Emperor, at least ONCE, during the OT, in an attempt to create life? Why did he never seek any more information as to the whereabouts of his location?

    For someone with such 'powers,' Anakin, hell, NOBODY seemed to give a good ****. Plagius won't be in the ST, and if he is, he better have one hell of a reason as to being non-existent to the galaxy for hundreds of years.

    EDIT: Oh, and why now all of sudden does Plagius have to track Luke down? He's had years and years and years to do so.
     
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