SPOILER Andor Ep. 1-3 Discussion

Isn't that video just fan made? I listened to actual ending theme of episode 3:

There is no force theme here, right?

 

I think it's more to do with the fickle nature of the fandom.

AS for the writing. It's fine. I wouldn't call it exemplary though. I kept thinking Bix was one of the villagers that young Cassian was a part of. I guess we'll find out who Brasso is and what his relationship is to Andor. Why he owed him money etc. Also Andor's motives and what he does are unclear. Is he stealing parts for the black market? Ok then why does he owe money left and right? Who does he owe it to? Why can't he work a normal job on Ferrix?

As for the action, when it finally took place. I didn't see anything that would not have looked out of place in the "poorly directed" Boba Fett and OWK series.

 

I didn't want to check out this thread until I'd seen all three opening episodes. I suppose I shouldn't be but I'm a bit surprised to find the reactions here are all over the place.

I'll say up-front, that I wasn't all that enthusiastic about Andor going in. I'd seen -- and enjoyed -- Rogue One but the notion of a prequel didn't really light my fire. But that said, I really enjoyed the first three episodes. I wasn't sure how I was going to react to a more 'adult' slant on SW but it worked for me thanks to the absolutely stunning set designs and soundtrack. The acting has been impressive too. So far, it gets a solid 'Thumb's Up' from me.

This is a great point, NinjaRen. It's like fans forget its a series and react like they're watching a movie. Many of the best series of all time were 'slow builds.'

 

This is what happens when the audience doesn't have years of head canon and patience to let the story play out.

Only on the internet would Jon Favreau, Andrew Stanton, and Joby Harold be considered inexperienced and incompetent writers.

This was my opinion initially as well, but coming into this year this was the project I was most excited about since it wasn't gonna have to fight the headcannon trap. It wasn't going to be full of legacy characters of the week. That's fine for Mando, but I was ready for something different. Plus, Gilroy is kind of perfect for a story like this... it was a huge win for Lucasfilm to secure him for this project.

 

I mean, it's really just kind of a trolley problem.

He can either shoot the dude and save himself, or he can let him live and either risk his own life or information about the Rebel Alliance.

Plus, though he didn't know it at the time, he was pretty much instrumental in getting the Death Star plans and saving countless lives. It's not like he shot the dude then immediately died two minutes later- the act, dark as it was, wasn't a waste.

 

Adult series, mwellllll..... was not convinced how Cassian killed the 1st officer with just a backhead shot. The murder could have been a *little more* realistic.

Another stupid thing to complain : when the spaceship enters the Kenari atmosphere above Cassian's tribe, we see an explosion on her back and we immediately hear the sound. Same thing when she crashes, we hear the sound at the same moment. Sound does not travel at light speed.

Yes I know : this are stupid things to nickpit about.

 

The music is a bit of a mixed bag. Generally good. The music playing in the opening scene sounds like music from just about any sci fi movie of the past ten years though. A little bit more exoitca would be good. The most esoteric thing musically was the big gong that was banged for the shift changes. The "tune" sounded like a little piece of something by Debussy (Footsteps in snow?) or Ravel maybe.

 

Andor's character was based off of George Constanza:

 

@The dinh Only if Andor starts talking in 3rd person.....

"Andor is getting upset!!!"

 

Did someone spotted the steelpecker we first seen in TFA, somewhere in the beginning of Andor Ep 2, in that junkyard where Andor comes to an old ship.




sorry no actual screenshot from Andor...

 

Cassian cannot afford to only be then and there only type, he has to be thinking steps ahead and what was around the bend for the informant was not going to be good and would potentially put the entire rebellion at risk or at least function as a loose thread to follow and possibly pull and unravel it.

He took the only viable action available. Lil buddy was a goner, the only call was who else would go down with him, almost certainly at least Andor himself but likely the informants every link.

I am befuddled by what anyone thinks the alternative even was.

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Lacks wisdom and the ability to see broader context even when explained to him.

More self righteous than actually righteous.

There was no murder, a couple of nary do wells tried to victimize the wrong person, in the way wrong place, at the completely wrong time and messed around and found out.

The old head was 100% correct and the best thing self promoting phony Dudley Do-Right could have done for the two crooks with badges is to make sure their survivors were taken care of as such rather than outing them as what they were in order to pursue the investigation.

Syril is a fool who loves order more than justice and will likely not only fail to achieve either but bring a ton of chaos and greater injustice.

I bet this boy would muster some discretion and find himself less ardently "lawful" if it was buttering the bread of his corporation or the Empire instead of the hammer looking for a nail.

I think he is beyond full of it.

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I don't think Jedi make much sense for these stories and the time period.
I also think they would blunt both the depth of the dark times and the concept of A New Hope.

I'm a force guy too but it is a big, big galaxy and very, very, very few of them comparatively even at the peak of the Jedi and statistically zero at this time.

I'm closer to being of the opinion that it would almost silly to have any light side force users of any serious ability around rather than being bothered by it at all.

This is a period of imperfect, human level heroes and tales of the common person in the trenches rising to the occasion.

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The real corruption was what got the dirty cops killed. Killed in self defense during a shakedown out of their jurisdiction not murdered.

Syril is neither good nor evil at least so far.

What the just over a child regardless of chronological age is, is myopic, self righteous, devoid of wisdom, lacking all discretion, wreckless, ignorant, arrogant, and most of all self promoting.

That fool doesn't care about justice, he is about using order as a ladder to bigger and better things for himself regardless of his bogus rationale espoused to play at being a big shot.

 

Andor shoots an unarmed man execution style. Doesn't really matter how they got to that point. He could have left and executed the guy. That's murder.

Killed in self defense? They were there to arrest a suspect for a murder.

These are things from your POV and not what happens on screen.

 

The dirty cops were on Andor for a power abusing bogus shakedown out of their jurisdiction and possibly worse being petty and sore that Cassian "jumped" them in line at the brothel or whatever bullcrap they were on that you want to hand waive to play at lawful good for this guy.

Old head called it 100% right on the money but fool Barney Fife on death sticks and spice had to play bigshot

Dudley Screwup and his inept murderous/power drunk thugs came later to arrest a killer...stupidly.

 

Andor shoots an unarmed man in the head. He executed the guy begging to live. I'm not sure how you can just ignore it. I understand this story is about Andor, but nothing justifies cold blooded murder.

 

Ok fellas, let's not go off on the deep end. Films or series are subjective, arguing about it won't change either opinion. Let's continue this discussion in a civil manner.

As law enforcement Officer, Andor is wrong for killing both Officers; and Kern as their superior Officer, was justified in seeking redemption. How he went about it was rather dismal in and of itself, but that is who he is.

Kern should have listened to the old head, and went about his day, but of course, it was burning a hole in his soul. It could have been him, or anyone in his unit. I've felt the same way when someone in my command was assaulted or killed... it could have been me...

If a spy, or a thief from another country went to say, Russia he/she would do almost the same exact thing to escape capture. The Officers were wrong, and Andor was wrong.

We are ultimately following Andor's journey so the protagonist can not be detained or killed for the moment or at this point.

One thing I like about this show, is how they depict dishonorable law enforcement and corrupt governments, they can abuse their power, and it also shows that spy work can be rather dirty. Andor has a license to kill, as a spy, as a thief, not so much.

 

I watched R1 last night and this stood out:
In Andor ep.2 while Cassian is negotiating an immediate and discrete ride off of Ferrix, the clerk is reading the CorSec bulletin. He researches Kenari and it's listed as being prohibited by the Empire and toxic after an Imperial Mining Disaster...
In Rogue One, Tarkin tells Krennick that his Death Star will not be credited with the destruction of Jedha City. Instead it will be explained as an Imperial Mining Disaster...
Obviously the Empire, or maybe Tarkin in particular, uses this to whitewash death and destruction at their hands. That could mean that Cassian has narrowly escaped death from Tarkin's "mining disasters" twice in his life.