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HUMOR Cosanguinity as a backlash to The Clone Wars

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by MarsPhoenix, Apr 4, 2015.

  1. MarsPhoenix

    MarsPhoenix Sith Psychiatrist

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    This is NOT a humor thread, but I didn't know where to discuss this...and know it'll end up as HUMOR anyway... so be it :) It just came to my mind recently by re-watching the ending of Revenge of the Sith. So, when the Clone Wars are over, I guess Clonetroopers are like any humanoid and went to live their lives like any other human being in the galaxy... have family, raise kids, go to fight rebels once in a while.


    The problem is, they all share the same DNA...they are clones! And there are thousands of them. Chances are some of their children were born in the same years Luke & Leia were born. There, I don't see any cosanguinity problem, since it was the first generation of Clone offsprings...

    Then, came the second generation post-Clonetroopers. The same generation as our heroes from the new Trilogy...

    There are MANY individuals in the galaxy with the same kinship and Clone DNA, hence increasing the risks for mutations and illness.

    Could this be a backlash of the Clone Wars... some sort of an illness that would spread in the Galaxy in the ST and beyond?

    Why the clones dissapeared? Could this be the reason that the technology was banned?

    Feel free to redirect the discussion elsewhere it it doesn't belong here.
     
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    Is it written in canon anywhere that clones can reproduce? I wonder if the Kaminoans would have limited their capacity for reproduction in order to control the product better and ensure their own usefulness and profitability.
     
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    Good point, that would kill the tread real fast lol
     
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    Also remember that they were infused with an accelerated growth gene that (presumably) made them age much faster than their human counterparts over the course of their entire lives. I expect that by the time we see Luke in ANH that they're all dead. I suppose that there are a select few that had gene mutations that may have rendered the growth genes inoperative and/or dormant and they lived long lives....unknown. :(
     
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    Then...I mean....that would be impossible. No way they did that. [​IMG]
     
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    It's been a while since I read them, but I seem to remember the Republic Commando series
    of novels establishing the fact that clone troopers can indeed reproduce.

    Also, if memory serves, the clones age at twice the rate of a non-clone human. For example,
    a 40 year old clone would actually be 80, effectively making average clone lifespans half that
    of non-cloned humans.
     
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    That could mean, if there was to be a genetic mutation from consanguinity happening in the Star Wars universe... (not that I say that it would be explained on screen... besides maybe that "Cloning has incorporated a strange mutation/illness in some parts of the galaxy)... could be accelerated it that accelerated growth gene is transmitted from father to son/daughter
     
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    Well I don't remember anything said beyond Growth Acceleration mentioned. It did not say if it continued past maturity. Honestly my guess would be that the clones were in fact a liability to the Emperor. There was a plot in season six of TCW that explored this.

    Basically the Clones all had a mental implant that served as the push for order 66. The jedi found it and it caused concern but they buried the evidence because it would destroy the war effort for the trust in the clones to be compromised.

    Another possibility is that the Clones themselves could be a scapegoat. The emperor could order all sorts of atrocities and then after all the strategic gains are made could then fain sorrow and reveal that the Clones were deficient or that the Jedi had done something so that the clones were never TRULY loyal.
     
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    That would be a neat thing that one character could explain, either in the Rebels series, or TFA. In my very universe, this is the biggest plot hole of the Star Wars Saga... why they went from Clones (and it was an all you can eat buffet... and the best soldiers they could create),... vs the conscripted Stormtroopers... unreliable... and we will discover in TFA... can change allegiance. Maybe Finn will explain it :)
     
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    Yeah I would love one of the Spin-offs to be the "Last Stand of the 501st." In which a group of clones get sick of being "Vader's Fist" and do something epic in defiance of orders. The tragic punch to the movie would be the Emperor using it as a PR stunt as if he ordered their daring and heroic sacrifice and the show the new 501st legion of elite troops marching in ranks.
     
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    Some clone troopers had offspring....
    [​IMG]
     
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    I don't think the clones were sent off to live normal lives. They were breed for war and the military, nothing else. I believe they were "used up," doing the Emperor's bid, they would fight until they died.
    They served no other purpose.

    That was dark post...
     
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    But true.
     
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    In S2 E10(The Deserter) of the clone wars, captain Rex meets a clone that was the last survivor of his platoon and deserted the republic. this clone went on to hook up with a twilek or something and had two children with her. The kids were like 5&6ish, and looked normal for a cross species being. So yes, the clones can reproduce.
     
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    Its going to be pretty hard for them to have families casually considering they were all castrated.

    Those werent his actual children you know... The children were like 5-7 years old, both were older than the total length of the Clone Wars... which, even if the Accelerated Aging was passed on, I dont think would be possible for when that was supposed to be during the show.

    Seriously I am pretty sure he just adopted them as his own kids.
     
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    @Stormagadon and @Grand Master Galen Marek are right, I see it the same way.
    I think in ANH there is none clone trooper left, all extinct, but who knows maybe TFA has a surprise for us.
     
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    Would the offspring of a Clone programmed to obey be more susceptible to suggestion themselves?

    Is the awakened Force massing an army of the weak-minded for its own use....
     
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    If the ones in TFA on the landing craft are more upgraded then we expect them to be more formidable than before.
     
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    It's not a plot hole IMM, when we consider that the clones were bred for one specific purpose. As part of the play that was the "Clone Wars", they were there specifically to wipe out the bulk of the Jedi, not to be a mainstay of the future Empire. They were also very likely far more expensive to create than to conscript soldiers. Furthermore it's not difficult to believe that Darth Sidious had no wish to be shackled to one group of cloners, regardless if this particular group was the best at it. Another upside would be that the existence of these clones helped establish the hierarchal structure of the new galactic military (first Republic and later Imperial). It's not difficult for me to believe that once they had outlived their usefulness, the clones would be phased out of the military and dealt with in the same manner in which they dealt with the Jedi.
     
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