Reducing the backlash by making snoke into the prime jedi

I think if they had done something like this it would of helped the film. I know a lot of people think that becuase they didn't explain the Emperors back story in the Original Trilogy so they don't need to explain Snokes in this one. I personally disagree as i feel we know the galaxy more then we did back the the original trilogy came out. we've got 40 years worth of stories based in this world, we've seen and read about the Empire been defeated. So when you suddenly have this really old looking guy, who seems to be almost ridiculously strong in the force, and is in charge of something that looks exactly like the Empire. People are naturally going to go who was he? where has he been for all these other films if he is this strong and can pull together this kind of army. If they then kill him off without even hinting at an answer on screen its bound to leave people going huh?

Also as well as been more satisfying i also think it would improve the story as the last Jedi as a film. One of my biggest complaints about the last jedi is it has now set up Kylo Ren to be this Trilogies big bad or main villain that our heroes have to defeat. The problem is they spent most of the first 2 films making him look conflicted not such a bad guy really. They make him look a bit weak, he's defeated by Rey and is even told by Snoke he's weak. Also they have made him very partial to a childs temper tantrum. Over all he hasn't felt that threatening. So having him kill some one with such a powerful back story would have helped make him feel more of a threat then killing some one who now just feels like he was their as a plot device.

It was also answer further questions raised by the film, Snoke says Rey is the light rising up to meet his dark, well if the force works like that whose the light rising up to beat Snokes Dark, we know its not luke as Snoke says he thought he was their to defeat Kylo, plus Snoke seems to be incredibly old and so would predate Luke. So if you have him been the first Jedi and the first Sith their is a kind of balance their already.

Of course they could still do something like your idea in episode 9, having Luke tell Rey this as a force ghost, but i don't think it will be as powerful as doing it before Snokes death.

 

This would make sense to me. Snoke is way too keen in killing Luke, in TFA and now in TLJ even after realizing that Rey is in fact the light opposite of Kylo, and not Luke, as he said to have thought and admited was wrong about it.

Even so, Snoke wishes the death of Luke way too much, even after discovering that Rey is the light resurgence and after he learns that Luke wishes to die himself. It feels like old hatred to me, just like he's a Sith, or the Prime Jedi as the OP suggests and wants to avenge himself. Even in TFA, all that matters to Snoke is to get rid of Luke, while the Resistance and the Republic seem to be just side distractions to him.

So, I feel there is more to Snoke's real intentions in wanting to kill Luke, and all the Jedi for that matter, than meets the eye. It seems personal. At least that's how I feel about it, after watching TFA and especially now after TLJ. There's just way too much hate in him towards the Jedi without a clear explanation of why. Will we find out? Do we really need to know? I guess it'll be up to JJ to decide now.

 

He's dead.

 

I like it. If executed properly it wouldn't even have to be that confusing for casual viewers, and would give a satisfying feeling to the ST as part of the whole story.

I would personally prefer him to come back in some form, revealing that he is Plagueis that can influence the midi-chlorians to preserve his life, and therefore "cannot be betrayed, cannot be beaten!". Revealing that he didn't teach his apprentice everything he knew, as Palpatine thought. This could open up an interesting story of how Kylo realises he has to fight Snoke to preserve his own position, but could still do so from a dark side perspective, while Rey fights him from the light side. It wouldn't necessarily need Kylo and Rey to team up, and could create an interesting dynamic of two conflicting sides battling each other while battling the greater evil at the same time, in my opinion. Though, it might get a bit confusing for casual audiences.

Anyhow, I'm strongly on the side that Snokes backstory needs to be discussed, atleast somewhat to give us a few hints how he got into his position, and why he wasn't around during the original trilogy. I don't buy the idea that "the emperor's backstory wasn't given in the original trilogy", because that trilogy didn't need it as we had no idea what happened before it. It was left to our imagination. In this case, we have 7 movies before this trilogy and we know most of what happened, and Snoke was not there at all (as far as we know). It's far from the same.

I would be fine with him being dead as well though, even if it wouldn't be my preferred story, it could be interesting. But there still needs to be some information brought up about him. I hope they do this in the movies and not in books, as even my sisters who are casual viewers were confused as to who he was and how he appeared into the story being so powerful. They wouldn't read any books about it, and would probably even be a bit turned of if being into Star Wars requires you to read books to get information vital to the movies story.

 

No. The point of Snoke was Kylo being manipulated by him for years and he finally frees himself and becomes what he's meant to be. Which is not some lackey #2 sidekick.

They could've made him the jedi of all jedi's or the sithiest of all siths and Kylo still needed to dispose of him.

 

Even if that's the case, which would be fine by me, I still want to know how he got into his position. He's been told to be stronger than both Vader and the Emperor, and has seen the rise and fall of the republic. Where the hell has he been in the previous 2 trilogies with his powers? His scars and deformation just adds another layer as to why we're intrigued by his past.

 

It's not a horrible idea. It might be something worth exploring in the future... but ultimately...

This.

We know all we need to know about Snoke to serve the story. A backstory of him being the first Jedi and the first Sith doesn't mean much for the present story. As Rian Johnson would say, "We're not trying to fill up a Wikipedia page here".

Also, I can just imagine the reaction from Star Wars fans if Snoke was revealed to be the first Jedi AND the first Sith only to have him then be killed off minutes later. I don't think it would reduce the backlash AT ALL.

 

Filmmakers shouldn’t have to cater to fans; How would you like someone over your shoulder telling you exactly how to make a movie? Not a way to live. Take suggestions, yes. TLJ took some big risks, just a handful: Luke, Liea, Snoke, that’s it. Yet such outrage. The parentage thing has never been an issue to me.

Submitting to fan outrage would be the worst thing Lucasfilm could do. The industry is a huge club that’s hard to get into; there are a thousand other talented people who would have made the great fan film most of the outraged fans would have liked, but Lucasfilm isn’t into making fan films after TFA; with TLJ, it’s pretty obvious.

 

He's ded.......

What r u? 1 of them blinded Disney Defenders?

Snoke being the Prime Jedi sounds a f#€《 ton better then "Snoke is just Snoke".

 

Snoke is the guy that brings Ben Solo into the First Order and stokes his fears and anger, until ultimately, Ben Solo's anger and insecurities turn on Snoke and Ben Solo kills him to take command of the First Order.

That's all that's important to Ben Solo, Rey, Finn, Hux, and the Resistance. Those are the topics of these films.

My Disney check was already cashed. It consisted of a fun film with great themes and messages to convey. That's the point, by it's creator: “I shouldn’t be saying this now, and I shouldn’t have said it then, but it’s a film for 12-year olds…It was designed to be a film with a mythology: This is what we stand for, you’re about to enter the real world, you’re probably scared, here’s what you should pay attention to…living on the light side, avoiding the dark side. Those are the things that it was meant to do.”

TLJ does that. It doesn't have to give some sort of lengthy explanation about what genetic material Snoke is made from, or whether he's carbon-based or silicon, or his age, how he wakes up in the morning, and whether he prefers milk or sugar in his caf.

Evil exists. Avoid it. Make the right choices. Snoke is evil. Kylo Ren doesn't avoid him. And ends up killing him and becoming him, despite his hatred. Kylo is now the F.O. leader. Anything else is the annoying parsley on the side, or the Bay leaf everybody throws away. Go examine it if that's what you're obsessed about, but it's job is done. The meal is served. Eat it or complain up the chain from the server, manager, line cook, head chef, corporate, the bank that financed the restaurant, the guy that killed the chicken, the chicken that birthed the egg, the eggshell itself.....but the majority of us will be enjoying dessert and a nightcap discussing what we learned.

 

Star Wars is now becomming a huge cinematic universe, with films, books, series and comics all over the place. This is no longer a single trilogy, nor is it a single story about the rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader. I have no problem with new characters popping up without any extensive backstory, but possibly the most powerful force-user we've ever seen (only rivaled by Luke as Snoke has been said to be more powerful than both Vader & Palpatine), that has apparently been around since the first movie as he has seen the rise and fall of the republic, just pops out of nowhere. In my opinion, that feels quite weird.

But each to their own, I don't mean to trash someone elses opinion. To me it just takes me out of the immersion a bit, when too drastic things happen without any explanation. To me, there wouldn't even need to be much of an explanation, just a few hints or sentences thrown out that could hint on how things got to where we are regarding Snoke.

What I'm saying is that in a story where you have an open timeline beforehand (no sequels), I have no problem with characters being in powerful positions without further backstory, as that leaves it to the imagination. But in this case it just leaves questions as to why he hasn't even been mentioned in earlier movies.

 

This might be a good idea for a book or comic down the road if Disney went with it.

 

This doesn't really reduce any of the backlash tbh.
Maybe a very small amount but not enough to change it.

And tbh, none of the backlash seems significant enough to change anything

 

So you don't want any backstory for Snoke at all?

 

1st let me say that could have been an good possibility or something like it.

I figured that Snoke was likely some sort of undead Sith entity like Exar Kun who possessed students at the Jedi temple in the books after Jedi that are no longer Cannon. Or when they wanted to give Exar Khun a backstory, he met an ancient Sith who was undead or trapped and taught him the darkside. Khun betrayed him and fought the Jedi.

That said. It became seriously plausible to me from even before TFA that Kylo was the real Big Bad. He is the reason the happily ever after in the fairy tale galaxy was broken. The princess and pirate were no longer happy and he destroyed Luke's temple throwing into question whether the Jedi would go on.

First of conflicted villains are simply complex and multi-dimensional. Showing him as less than a monster is a good thing. ESB showed Vader not as just a monster but as Luke's father. Second his conflict or "pull to the light" did not stop him from ordering the murder of a village, patricide, it did not spur him to save his mother and when he was handed the opportunity to be forgiven he instead used the opportunity to put himself on the throne of the galaxy.

He's like Emperor Comodus in Gladiator. They knew they could never pull off another Vader.

 

Did ROTJ need an extensive dialogue exposition scene about the life story of the Emperor?

No.

 

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