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SPOILER Dark Disciple

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Books & Comics + Legends' started by Taris Avenged, Jan 18, 2015.

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    Hello everyone,

    Seeing as there wasn't one, I wanted to start a thread on the upcoming novel Dark Disciple staring: Dooku's ex-apprentice, Asajj Ventress, (that rhymed!) and "unorthodox" Jedi Quinlan Vos.

    I really like Ventress' character, and that says a lot being that she was only in the Clone Wars animated series. She is a strong, independent female character, which we do not have an abundance of in the Galaxy Far Far away, I also thought that she was rather well written in TCW.

    That being said, many fans have expressed frustration over her apparent fate in the novel, which is described by starwars.com as "...a tale of love and loss..." Personally, I don't really mind. All characters die at some point. What do you think?
     
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    I'm eager to see the direction taken in this one. A lot of people are suggesting Ventress may make an appearance in VII or surrounding fiction, which this novel could close the door on. I am personally content with Ventress receiving a fittingly emotional and dramatic end.
     
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    I think the biggest things about this book will be Quinlan Voss and the story, even though I expect good development and such for Ventress. Voss in books and comics before his TCW was sorta like a more roguish Anakin, but his TCW felt like a weird surfer. As far as I've seen from the official concept art, this story looks very detailed and rich, with a nice blend of PT, OT, romance, espionage, mystery, etc. This has to be the most exciting book for me, and the book cover only made it that much more
     
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    I really wish it was a comic series and not a book. I don't mind reading books but it's hard to find the time and silence with 2 kids. I can however sneak away for 3-5 mins to read a comic. Hopefully a lot of these books will also have comics adapted like the old EU did. Also i think the visuals of those two in a story together would look amazing if adapted to a comic properly.
     
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    I am really looking forward to this book, but it is a bit annoying knowing this could have been a part of Clone Wars season 7, man I wish Disney didn't cancel CW.
     
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    Final jacket for Dark Disciple.

    Just arrived, final jackets for Star Wars #DarkDisciple by @ChristieGolden . Cover by @Matttaylordraws . On-sale 7/7 http://t.co/MPzvOuiYVG
     
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    Just read the preview from Lords of the Sith and... Wow! I'm excited for all of the new novels, but I haven't been as bothered about this one, but that preview was great! I was expecting it to be fairly light in comparison with the likes of Tarkin but I'm pleasantly surprised by the darkness it carries. Also, some of the dialogue is great! It took great character aspects from both the films and TCW!
     
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    enjoyed it and hated it at the same time. The characterization of Mace was crazy. The author pretty much made him evil. Obi Wan had his shot at Dooku and didn't take which doesn't make sense after he agreed with the assassination attempt and suggested Quinlan. Of course the thing that drives me absolutely crazy is why send a Jedi to kill someone in a universe where you can't go five steps without tripping over a bounty hunter. Which makes more sense anyway because it's already established nobody except Mace and Yoda is one his level.
    --- Double Post Merged, Jul 13, 2015, Original Post Date: Jul 13, 2015 ---
    Which also doesn't work with the idea the Jedi tried to arrest Palpatine after trying to assassinate Dooku.
     
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    I'm a quarter of the way through and it's been brilliant so far! The characters we're meeting and the development of plot etc is great! I'm really enjoying the fact that we're seeing elaboration on the idea of the Jedi losing sight of their ways in this period. The dialogue perfectly captures their arrogance and blindness.
     
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    I get the author wanted to make the Jedi grey for story purposes but it still feels overboard. I think back to one of the greatest lines in Star Wars "For over a thousand generations, the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times. Before the Empire." With this book you might think Anakin was right when he said from my point of view the Jedi are evil.
     
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    I understand your point of view and it is a valid one. However, I suppose I'm looking at it differently. I don't see the arrogance of the Jedi as an inherent quality or even something that arose from within, but rather an extension of the influence of Palpatine.

    When you consider that Palpatine's goal was to destroy the Jedi and take over on behalf of the Sith, it seems clear that he would attempt to warp the Jedi Order into something that the denizens of the Galaxy would view with disdain (and even some within their own ranks!) since this makes their demise all the more agreeable and glorifies the Empire tenfold. We also know that it's not beyond Palpatine's ability to disrupt the abilities of the Jedi and thus, it doesn't seem unreasonable to suggest that he could also impair their judgements, effectively turning them against their own ideals. That's just my interpretation/speculation/expansionthough and I realise it has no factual grounding thus far!
     
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    The end ruined this book for me...That is all /
     
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    You reminded me of a point that wasn't explored in the book which was a major missed opportunity. It would have been interesting if the reason the Jedi didn't sense the dark side in Vos but Ventress could was elaborated on. A great thread to the book would have been Dooku teaching Vos a technique to hid his darkness which would explain how the Emperor went undetected.
     
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    I don't intend to read this book. That said, this spoiler protected thread is the only place I can publicly state what I have just gleaned from Wookiepedia.

    I am very dissapointed. Not at the novel's quality, again, I don't intend to read this, I've never read any ot the PT EU and I don't intend to start now. That said, I feel like pitching a @Fartkraum style fit over LFL's descision to whack a very potential filled and popular character in a manner far too reminiscient of Vector Prime. But I am not that kind of fanboy so I wont do it.
    But I will say they threw the baby out with the bathwater. They're running to film movies and TV shows in the Trans-Prequel era, and they chose to kill off this established, popular character in a book. Here's an idea: how about you kill her off in a MOVIE. Give her a live actor. Let some hollywood guys take this character and run with her. But no. They kill her off. In a book.


    Maybe I need to make a downfall parody over this. EDIT: Parody made.
     
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    Oh, please do!
     
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    @Crusifix Signed, sealed, and delivered. Hot off the presses:
     
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    What are you blabbering on about?
     
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    The geniuses over at LFL decided to bump off Assajj Ventress in this friggin book. Just like they did with Chewie in Vector Prime. Basically, they just pulled a George Lucas: We don't know what to do with this character, so we'll kill it off.. and regret it later.
     
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    Personally, I enjoyed the book. It s one of the stronger of the new Canon. With that being said, I get everyone's gripes about her not having a proper on-screen death. At least we got closure to the story, though. I still feel like Maul was left dangling after his finale (even with the death we see in that arc).
     
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    A lot of complaints on this book due to its outcome, and I get it. We didn't want to read about Ventress' death. We wanted to see it on screen. But that ship has sailed. The truth is, they did plan to have this on screen. They were already working on these episodes, but due to cancellation, this book is what we get. I like that they were faithful to their original vision and kept the story as is instead of forcing the characters in to a future work just for the sake of closure.

    Aside from the disappointment of never getting to watch these episodes, I have to say this novel was fantastic IMO. It has been the most well written of any of the new novels. The pacing was great and the characters were well developed. Christie Golden did a great job of translating these scripts into book form and it really did feel like I was watching the Clone Wars. I couldn't put it down until the last tender moments almost had me in tears...almost... "Get back in there, tear!"

    Although I'm a huge CW fan and would have loved to watch these episodes, I have to take the other side of the argument that says that this novel was more satisfying in some ways than the show would have been. Due to its format, being an adult novel, there were themes that were in the book that would not have translated as well in a cartoon on TV. The passionate romance would have been lackluster as well as the dialogue and the violence. This book played out like a PG-13 version of this Clone Wars arc that would have been downplayed on television to fit a more general audience.

    I was sad to see her go, but I'm glad to say that Ventress had one of the most amazing stories of the CW series. The end was hard, but necessary and ultimately satisfying to see how much her character had changed from her creation to the end. As for Vos...I loved his development as well throughout the story. I found myself wanting their dream to come true by the end of the novel, knowing that wasn't going to happen. That's the only negative thing I have to say about this book...the future events of Episode III loomed over it in a powerful way...We knew Dooku would survive...and we knew Vos was a Jedi in ROTS, since Obi-Wan references his troops moving to Boz Pity after success on Seleucami.

    In closing, I will go as far to say that (as much as I loved Lords of the Sith) Dark Disciple has become my favorite novel in the new canon so far, and even ranks in my top 10 SW novels of all time. I loved the CW feel to the story (I found myself reading Anakin in his CW voice and not Hayden C's which was also a plus). I enjoyed visiting level 1313 on Coruscant as well (man it makes me lament the loss of this game). One of the coolest moments for me was the inclusion of the Jedi Code mantra as recited by Obi-Wan, pulling in yet another cool element of the old EU that has been ingrained in the minds of many SW fans like myself over the years. I'm glad that this has been brought into canon officially. It gives me hope for the future of the Old Republic as well. Time will tell.

    Ventress - Hair today...gone tomorrow...you will be missed.

    There is no emotion, there is peace.
    There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
    There is no passion, there is serenity.
    There is no chaos, there is harmony.
    There is no death, there is the Force.

    - The Jedi Code
     
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