SPECULATION Darth Rey?

@Kylocity, yeah it will be sad but all good things must come to an end. Self-sacrifice in particular is meaningless if it turns out in the next trilogy that nothing was sacrificed after all. No, I think the Skywalker bloodline will definitely end, although their impact will remain... their mythology if you will. (Thank heven there's no Jesus Nazarethean bloodline around in our world, for instance).
@FN-3263827, I disagree. The medicholorain-rich Skywalker bloodline ends with Ben (and Leia) passing away. Of course, that doesn't mean Kylo & Ren can't end up working together; I'm pretty sure they will!

 

i guess i don't subscribe to that. to me, the Skywalkers represented this idea of "chosenness" both for Anakin and Luke. Luke's recognition that thinking Ben was also "chosen" was a big mistake effectively ended the Skywalker line for me. Luke wasn't special because he had the Force. he was special because he was good. the Force belongs to everyone. goodness is a choice and it requires courage.

 

Darth Rey? No. Darth Ren? No. Totally redeemed Ben Solo/Kylo Ren? No. A good Rey always trying to do the right thing through out the entire last chapter? Yes. I agree, Luke was special, because he was good. He was fundamentally good, and strong with the force. That is why he had to face Vader and the Emperor. While tempted, and giving in long enough to channel the strength and hate to take Vader down, he quickly snapped out of it, threw his weapon away, and proclaimed to be a Jedi, like his father before him.

Rey has indeed channeled some hate when fighting, but never uses it beyond that. All her actions are predominately good and selfless through out the first 2 films. Changing that in the final act would not seem believable at this point.

Ben on the other hand is completely messed up. Many consider his betrayal of Snoke and then his refusal to help the Rey save the Resistance his final journey to the Dark Side, and it may be. But his encounter with Luke at the end, and holding the "force dice" in his hands as he quietly stays in his own thoughts, demonstrates to me that his complete turn to the dark side is not so cut and dry. He is still conflicted.

But.... He murdered his father, murdered his master, cut down Snoke's guards with Reys help, tried to turn her to his side, and when that failed he went on to try and wipe out what was left of her new friends. Anyone who thinks that he can be redeemed by Rey would be bad story telling. Anikan turned back to the light out of love for his son. With Leia gone, I see no way that Rey alone can turn Ben back to the light. Again, it would be unbelievable and forced.

So how does it end? Only JJ knows the answer to that. He has a monumental task at hand. One can argue that a redemption is not even necessary. That Ben could save Rey, which could ultimately help the Resistance win the day, from an act of self sacrifice (perhaps the KoR are about to destroy Rey, only for Ben to intervene like Vader did in ROTJ), but it becomes obvious that he does it to save HER.... not help the Resistance, and in the end he meets his doom. Some well written dialogue could show him dying still obsessed with the dark side, still making the wrong choices overall, but still saving our hero, showing that a flicker of light and compassion still exists in him somewhere, but that flicker was never going to emerge as his dominate moral compass. A bitter sweet ending for the Skywalker bloodline.

Anyway.... in JJ we trust.

 

[shrug]. Rey won't redeem him. he's gotta work that out for himself.

 

agreed - what Ben does is on him.. it's all on him.

Luke didn't save his father (imo)... he just made his own choice. that choice had a profound effect on Anakin, but it was Anakin that had to walk the walk as it were. (there's an interesting fan theory on reddit somewhere that suggests that Vader was questioning his dark side choices from the moment he killed Kenobi on DS1)

 

Why doesn't anyone think the new Doctor Who will turn on her companions and join the Daleks? Why doesn't anyone think Wonder Woman will turn on the Justice League and join the Legion of Doom? Why doesn't anyone think Captain Marvel will kill the other half of the population? Your guess is as good as mine.

 

This

 

Did you see Kylo's reaction after killing Han, though? He's been struggling with the pull towards the light the whole time (as he first confessed to us when talking to Vader's melted helmet) and he's also drawn to Rey, in whatever way that may ultimately become. His face after killing Han tells you what you need to know- he's not the heartless killing machine he pretends to be.

 

I don't think Rey will turn dark. Its really not in the character in the Rey we have seen plus they seem to want Rey to be a role model for young women. Going dark wouldn't accomplish it. I agree with others. The PT was about the Dark side winning. The OT was the Light side winner. I think the ST will be about balance in the middle. As far as anything leading into X-XII, those movies seem to be just fan speculations and wants. Nothing concrete about having those. Each trilogy stands on its on but also ties together. Rey doesn't need to go dark for a new trilogy.

 

But this isn't Balance. The balance is not between the Light and the Dark side. The Dark side creates imbalance the Light seeks to preserve it. The balance isn't a scale that needs to be 50-50 its a wheel, using the Darkside (motivated by selfishness and hate) throws the wheel out of balance.

 

I always wondered about this. Always thought that the light balanced the force whereas the dark toppled it over to one side... but the prequels made me believe that the Jedi were neglecting something about the dark side that was important: Anakin’s love for padme, a romantic somewhat selfish passion not allowed to the members of the order, made him weak... it seemed that the Jedi didn’t get the balance right either, toppling the whole thing to the other side.

 

eh. i don't know if that's what the ST is telling us.
the dark side is just a power; it's what evil people do with it that makes it bad.
it in itself is not inherently evil.

you yourself just said it's using the Dark motivated by selfishness and hate that throws the balance off.
seems then, it's possible to use the Dark without being motivated by selfishness and hate--just very very difficult.
which, i believe is what Yoda originally said.

 

Yes but in order to use it requires the evil motives.

I don't think the ST has changed anything about the philosophy of the Force. Meaning I don't think they have outright contradicted the previous films.

 

exactly. they haven't. ; D

 

Rey turning dark would be really interesting but I just don’t think Lucasfilm has the balls to do that.

 

don't have the balls or desire for sloppy M Night twist for the sake of a twist story telling?

 

I don't think it has anything to with 'balls' in all honesty. It's more to do with story. No idea what the future holds, if the story requires it so be it. Daring Lucasfilm into something just to shock, I doubt they actually care.

 

Twists are indeed part of movies. So are good stories constructed around themes and narratives.
Rey turning dark is a twist for the sake of a twist. It serves no value to the story other than to be a twist.

You can strawman all you want, but it's still just a twist for a twist's sake.