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Deep Depth Analysis Of The Teaser

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by NinjaRen, Apr 12, 2019.

  1. NinjaRen

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    I would prefer more of Harry Potter like scenario, not a "real coming back to life in a body".

    I'm torn on it. I like them if they are used rarely and meaningfully. They are a tool of wisdom and council, not a tool of violence and strength. For TROS I would use Luke just to guide Rey in a key scene and maybe he can troll Kylo Ren. That's it.
     
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    I think this is where Lucas's idea for a Sequel Trilogy that dives into the 'Microbiotic' world of the force gains kudos. If you're going to have ghosts and force projections and stuff then where is the limit? if Luke has joined the great all powerful force of life and death would the parameters of life and death lose their meaning? could he not be alive and dead at the same time? could Vader and Anakin not share a ghost-form shifting back and forth through time. I mean, if the force really is the thing binding the universe together and you could master it then indeed lifting rocks would become pointless as you would exceed the life/death categories that corporal life adheres to...So, yeah it could go pretty crazy.


    Oh and just to keep us on topic I cleared up the image of Kylo Ren doing the rounds and brightened it up. it looks like its from within the cockpit, possibly the same scene from the teaser. My question is- Is that blood on him? has he just had a pretty hard core fight? coz he looks worse for wear.
    Kylo colour.jpg
     
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    But JJ also said, speaking about the title, that it felt right to close the IX movies saga.
    That is not to say that is not about Luke and Kylo too.
    But that, imo, it has to do with Anakin as well if not mainly.
    Also, he is the one who “arise” - to use Sheev’s line - in ep. 3, as Lord Vader....
     
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    He's a mess. I could see this being him after a massive fight and he's killed a lot of people. OR, he's just got his butt kicked and he's stunned and escaping. Does his ship have a shower?
     
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    It seems he’s been rolling in the sand... :D
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    I’m worried about the idea of luke’s ghost trolling Kylo... I feel something like that could easily turn into an very unfunny comedy moment.
     
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    I hope there is time travel. I think it may even make a sort of sense to link all 3 sagas together to include time travel. Time travel could also alleviate the pressure on the ST to have to be accepted by all. Done well it could still make for a great culmination of the saga and sagas, while at the same time leaving things open for those who dislike aspects of TLJ or the ST to re-imagine things in a way that is more palatable to dissenters.... thus more inclusive to all fans without retcon or anything. Doesn't mean these characters don't exist, but that it leaves it open that they can be re-imagined more easily.
     
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    Even if they’ll go down this kind of route, I personally doubt it would be done in a way that “changes” past events.
    At best “our perception” of those events may change.
    For instance, not that I think that’s the case for 100 of reasons, but just to give an idea, they may send Rey into the past and we will discover that she is Shmi. Something like this doesn’t change the past....

    I just saw Endgame... and all I can say is that TT is not that “radical” in that movie, but I believe SW will never do something like that...
     
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    I believe that we are looking at the image of Kylo Ren after he destroyed Knights of Ren.
    That's the aspect of the movie I'm looking forward the most - seeing those guys in actionand getting their asses kicked by Kylo.

    We're in for some epic action. :rolleyes:
     
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    Wow, this would be quite a twist :) So, for some reason Shmi was Rey, but she had lost all her powers and memory? Or, it would be a new Shmi, in a different timeline, in the sense the events of I through IX could be all different, a bit like after Star Trek 2009's reboot, like JJ also did there. That's mind-blowing. Would they be so bold to go there?
     
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    Like I said I don’t think they’ll do that.
    I used it as a sample of TT that doesn’t require changing / modifying events of the previous movies.
    That said personally I believe that something “mind blowing “ is on cards.
    Especially knowing JJ’s past works and because that has always been my take in regards of TFA.
    What I heard/saw until now about IX is in line with the same details that gave me that vibe watching ep. 7. But for the same reasons maybe it’s just my head canon taking the lead...
     
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    The concept of time travelling is a bad tool of story telling IMO (Back To The Future is an exception). Especially the theory of Rey being Shmi. If that's the case, then nothing would have been accomplished and everything starts over again. Time travelling also destroys alot what characters fought and suffered for.

    No, Star Wars and time travelling is a no go for me.


    Even though I also like the idea of Kylo Ren fighting the KOR, I doubt it that we are looking at the aftermath here. Kylo got sand all over him. So it's probably shortly after Rey cut Ren out of this TIE. The whole sequence of TIE vs Rey is most likely in the first act of the movie.
     
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    Meh, no. You're essentially rendering the entire Saga worthless. While World Between Worlds made it very clear that bringing back Ashoka didn't change future events, I'm concerned they'll use it as a crutch.
     
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    What are your ideas about Kylo’s mask?
    So far we heard some rumors (and the Celebrations poster confirmed them) that Ren is wearing the mask.
    Many have speculated that could be at the start of the movie.
    But... I doubt it.

    Time had passed, Rey has reforged the lightsaber, but the mask is repaired only now and on screen.
    There must be a reason other than the mask being cool.
    I believe it may have to do with the Mc Guffin or Sidius or.. Vader ( what if the red material is the kyber crystal of Vader’s lightsaber? Do we know what happened to that sword?)
    What do you think?
     
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    I was just entertaining the thought myself, not really embracing or refuting the possibility.

    And while I understand and respect your position on not wanting time travel in SW, consider this. If you're a big fan of Star Trek (like me), you'd react in the same way at first glance. "What?? So, nothing that would have been accomplished mattered?". Well, so JJ went ahead and turned everything up-side down with Star Trek 2009. A new timeline was created and a new series of significantly different events happen afterwards, with basically the same characters, although now going through radically different experiences.

    I have to say that I was positively surprised by Star Trek 2009, and I do enjoy the next installments quite a bit, now in this new timeline of events.

    I guess it may be a matter of taste. However, Star Trek 2009 seemed to have a great reception overall, and these are as ferverous fans as Star Wars', and I'd say I was quite ok in experiencing a significantly different timeline after Star Trek 2009, and for some reason that didn't devalued my attachment to the "old" series and movies. In my mind I think I accepted well that this was a new timeline, and that we're lucky to experience new, and especially different adventures this time around.

    Just my 2 cents on the matter. Personally, I'm open about the time-travel / new time-line with old characters in it possibility (where you could see Rey and possibly other old characters recast to do a Star Wars reboot). That could even be one of the planned trilogies, but now I'm getting ahead of myself.
     
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    @greenbalrog I believe they are more interested in closing the circle. Not into opening it again.

    So, I can see TT (or a “mystical device”) used to introduce what ends up being “The Invisible Hand” that put everything/everyone where It/he/she needed to be, in the right moment/circumstances.
    That would change our perception of the story. Not the story itself.
     
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    I mean, there is time travel of sorts with World Between Worlds already. I'm more concerned that it'll be used as a crutch. "Oh we can just bring whomever we want to now!"
     
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    Could be. However, I don't see the use of TT, if done well and making it clear that it is a different timeline, as changing the story, necessarily. What has happened, has really happened, only in a different timeline/universe. It's basically how the Terminator works these days, like it or not. It's just that it would be a new story, with the same characters. New adventures.

    However, I have to say that a new time-line may suite Star Trek movies' model a bit better than Star Wars because Star Trek I to VI, and even VII to X are only loosely coupled and are not really a single story like Star Wars, with a master-mind behind SW I to VI, and now possibly through IX. Star Trek movies are more like a collection of events and adventures of our characters, run in sequence. Yes, you could say Star Trek II, III and IV are a more tightly coupled story in itself, but not all the movies are.

    So, it wouldn't be easy to pull off, but I don't see why it couldn't be done.
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    I'm not familair with Word Between Worlds, I mean I heard of it and know it involves time travel, but I don't know the details.

    Does it work like in a different timeline / cannot interfere but only observe kind of way? If that's so, than you could use it to gain information or start new timelines, but not really change the events of a single timeline. Even the Terminator, Back to the Future and Star Trek 2009 didn't go that far. I'd say Star Trek IV may not have changed the "actual" timeline, although it's suggested it may be the same but it may not be.

    In summary, if time travel only spawns new timelines and cannot be used to change the timeline we know, then usually it is ok and is well accepted. That's my perception of time travel in movies through the years at least.
     
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    Oh, so you can actually influence a timeline directly with WBW. I suppose Ahsoka would die in that scene in the "normal" timeline had Ezra not intervened? And probably that's what people saw? All in all you could still argue that the two timelines exist now. The "normal" one, and a new split one after that event. And so, you could "bring back people", but only to exist in a new timeline. They had really died in the other one.
     
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    I think this rebuilt mask could be used by an impostor posing as Kylo Ren for whatever reason. .. The fact that it was fixed by some hairy hands makes me suspect Kylo has nothing to do with this... maybe the mask is connected to Palpatine somehow or the KOR?
     
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