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Deep Depth Analysis Of The Teaser

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by NinjaRen, Apr 12, 2019.

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    I respect your opinion. I also said "...AND about Ben Solo's redemption". Always those double meanings :)

    Luke rising from the dead may not have to hijack the title completely, or the whole movie, for that matter. It may be similar to how Yoda interacted with the environment in TLJ if not a bit more this time. After all, Luke could have superseded Yoda for all we know. That force projection power could have been only one of his new tricks.

    So, I can see Luke returning to the world of the living, like Yoda did in VIII for brief moments, but willing to do even more than Yoda did, and Ben before him. As cheesy as it may sound I'd very much like a boss fight between Ben, Rey with a little assistance from Luke, to finally get rid of Palpatine, once and for all, or whichever new villain that we may not have seen yet.

    Ben would be redeemed in the process. And that could be "The Rise of Skywalker". Rey's part could be a major role in Ben's redemption, again, and be the hero, with the assitance of Luke. If she is or will be a Skywalker in the end remains to be seen. And that too could be "The Rise of Skywalker".
     
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    But he was a force ghost with bluish glow and all or did I miss something? He did not rise from the dead as far as I am concerned. To become one with the Force is not the same as rise from the dead.
     
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    I'm wondering about the costumes, Anakin started out in light desert wear and transitioned to black. Luke followed the same transition. Rey started "dingy" and now looks to be symbolizing white in the ST.

    So my current thinking is that TROS refers to Rey, and she is the lightness rising up to meet the dark as the final split of the Skywalker duality. She has never shown a propensity to be dark, and only saw the dark side in a curious sense, regardless of what Luke said. I suspect that the Force split off the middle ground of the first two Skywalkers in this generation so that one embodies the dark and one the light. If KR is redeemed, it will be in death, just like Anakin who couldn't really come back from the younglings thing. It looks like a purification of the bloodline to me and the final fulfillment of the prophecy.

    It may be somewhat disappointing to the rabid fan base, but makes sense as a Hollywood/Disney story. I saw a quote recently from JJ where he is talking about people watching this 200 to 300 years from now so I take this to mean that they are very cognizant of the final story being the redemption of the Skywalker bloodline and the washing away of the sins.

    If they don't go this way, it will truly be a historically bold move and will change the way every SW movie is viewed for as long as people watch them. I'm good either way so long as it is a satisfying end to the saga, but I truly believe that this will stay as a film about moral rightness in the final analysis.
     
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    Yes, you are right, not in the sense of returning and staying. When I think of Luke rising from the dead I imagine a super force-ghost. Like Yoda in VIII but willing to do even a bit more than Yoda, than just summoning a lightning, which was already quite a lot in itself.
     
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    Obi-Wan too was able to interact with the environment- like he did sit down on a tree stump, so I don't get your point?
     
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    It is implied that as a force ghost he set the Jedi Temple tree on fire... that was different. More than just a "presence".
     
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    I'm just saying that Luke could be a super force-ghost in IX, meaning, with additional powers, or willing to interact more in the world of the living, than Yoda and Ben before him. That could explain part of the title, Luke rises to the occasion. But I'm not suggesting the whole movie, and title, would be about that. I was suggesting it could be both that and about Ben's redemption, the latter with a much bigger weight.
     
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    I'm really not seeing how or why you guys are defining Yoda's actions in TLJ as being "different" from what we have seen other Force Ghosts do.
     
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    Only different in the sense of magnitude on how they interacted with the environment, on what they were willing to do, and did. So far we had only seen/heard Ben Kenobi's voice, then him "appearing" and then he sits in a log and such. Then Yoda leveled that up in VIII by summoning a lightning. Don't you find that significantly different from just a voice and appearing? As far as I know we can see force ghosts do even more powerful stuff than just appear, knock on stuff and summon lightning. VIII has set the bar really high with that ligthning, in my view.

    Anyway, I don't really think Luke will return to the world of the living for good. I was only speculating that he may do a few more significant stunts in IX that could help turn the events more than what we've seen from force ghosts before.
     
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    There are no super force ghosts. Either your one with the Force or you don't. Yoda was a force ghost in TLJ and Luke will be one too in TROS. And neither of them will be the main actors behind the final fight.
     
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    Yoda summoning lightning is not "partly or totally unlike in nature, form, or quality" or "distinct; separate" (the two definitions of the word "different" as defined by Merriam-Webster) from what we've seen Force Ghosts do in the past; it's an expansion on what we've seen Force Ghosts do previously, but it doesn't fit the definitions of the term "different".
     
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    To my mind he was more than just a presence, Luke was having a real conversation with Obi-Wan. I can't see why setting a tree on fire is more of a super power than talking to the living?
     
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    Because appearing to one person as a ghost and interacting with them, but not physically, essentially just light and sound is different than conjuring lightning and imposing will on the environment. Theoretically force ghosts could be appearing in the consciousness of the living Jedi and not actually physically interacting with the world. The force lightning is clearly not that. I don't think Luke will do anything more than Yoda or Obiwan, but Yoda's move in TLJ was new and reframed what a force ghost could do.
     
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    I didn't say "different" originally in my posts, I said: "like Yoda did in VIII for brief moments, but willing to do even more than Yoda did", in the sense of the extension of what he may do as a force ghost. What could be different this time is Luke's attitude in which he may decide to interfere more directly, against whatever villain they may face in IX, and not just advise someone like its predecessors.

    That said, it's also fair to say that Yoda accomplished a lot mostly by talking, and with the small help of a lightning. The same can be said about Ben Kenobi's influence, by just appearing and talking he also accomplished a lot. Perhaps we will see Luke do the same in IX for Rey, or we may see him more involved this time, we shall see.
     
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    But like I mentioned in one posts before- Obi-Wan was able to interact with the real world - he did sit down on a real tree stump.
     
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    Am I the only one here who doesn’t really like force ghosts? They are just so cheesy with the blue hue around them... I have always much preferred obi wan’s voice off inspiring Luke. Much more subtle and elegant.
     
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    Nah... I think the voice calling from beyond... like they're far away... seemed cheesy.
     
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    I posted this before but its worth repeating:

    In one of the scripts for ROTJ Obi Ben literally comes back to life in his body to fight beside luke in the the last fight.
    This idea of a dead jedi regaining his corperal form has been played with before, and would not be that out of place.
     
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    This is really interesting... imagine Luke appearing to help his apprentice(s) fight the final battle, even if only for a brief moment. If the Emperor cheats death, it only seems fair. (emperor)
     
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    It was the origional end for ROTJ or one of them. its actually written really well with Luke awakening in a lava room/ cell and there is just this cloaked figure sat with him and he knows its Ben Kenobi. and then Ben tells him that he has returned to take part in the final fight. I can source the extract if anyone is interested.
     
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