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Did Ben Solo become a Force Ghost?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by KeithF1138, Dec 30, 2019.

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Did Ben Solo become a Force Ghost?

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    We saw his body fade away? Is that enough for us to know he became a Force Ghost?

    To me it is obvious, but asking everyone else.

    Have had multiple discussions with people on twitter who say since we didnt see his ghost it didnt happen.
     
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    Ben is wandering in the world between worlds.
    he'll be back. one day.

    [​IMG]
     
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    I'd say, yes. If Anakin did, then he did.
     
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    Yes. I refuse to believe that they were that shortsighted and didn't include him in the Luke and Leia shot. That said, if you don't see a body; there's a really good chance they're not dead. Hell, it's already happened in Star Wars with Maul and Palpatine...
     
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    Really we saw a body fade away. I felt he wasnt in the shot because of 2 things. 1. Han couldnt be in the shot. So paints a weird picture of having Ben with his Aunt and Uncle, but not his father. 2. The shot is paying respects to the twin Skywalkers as Rey takes the Skywalker name on the planet with twin suns where it all started. Ben never had the Skywalker name.
     
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    I think Rey would've seen Ben with his mother in the end if he'd become a Force ghost.

    So my main theory is simply that he didn't. Likely because he was never taught how by Luke through the Qui Gon line (whereas Leia may have been).

    However, I guess there are some other possibilities.

    - Since Leia's body didn't become one with the Force until Kylo died, his spirit is somehow attached to her Force ghost.

    - Kylo isn't really dead, and his appearance on Exegol was as a Force Projection. Through their experience as a dyad in the Force, it's arguable that Kylo's force projection would be stronger than a regular Jedi's (even Luke's) if using Rey as a beacon. Works pretty well with the whole Exegol beacon thing, thematically, too. In this case, Rey being Kylo's wayfinder to the planet. And of course, it works well with TLJ, as Kylo learns this trick from Luke. It also explains some things, such as how Kylo was able to climb up from the pit (though obviously that wouldn't need a complicated explanation).

    But most likely, he simply didn't become one, tempting as Ben's return would be.
     
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    Agree.
     
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    What? You know his mother is a Skywalker. You really don't think she would've wanted him by her side? After her plea with Han in TFA to "bring him home"?
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    Anakin never learned and Obi-Wan and Yoda made him a Force ghost.
     
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    Correct. My theory is that this is the reason Leia didn't fade away until he died. She waited to help him along like Obi-Wan and Yoda did for Anakin.
     
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    There is no hint for Ben becoming a force ghost, but he become one with the force. This doesn't mean he can't become one. In canon it takes some time and challenges (?) to come back as a force ghost. Maybe Ben has to fulfill certain stuff first, this is the reason he didn't appear at the end of TROS. But it's just my speculation.
     
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    Leia couldn't have known to about becoming a Force ghost unless Luke did it.
     
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    TROS told us that Leia almost finished her Jedi training and during that time Luke should have known how to become a force ghost.
     
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    True. Is there a canon explanation for that?

    Is it possible Anakin somehow discovered later, or Obi Wan transmitted that information to Vader in the hopes that Anakin would someday redeem himself?
     
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    You mean like he'll be back if he doesn't get an oscar for marriage story? ;P
     
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    Audience perspective not in universe perspective.
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    She who she. She was dead. If it was her spirit/aka force ghost she would have already faded away. I dont believe they showed her fading away until Ben did was simply an artistic license/poetry to have mother and son fade away together.
     
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    There's no difference...
     
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    Wow I have totally different interpretation of one with the Force and Force ghost. You can never be a Force Ghost unless you become one with the Force. Then you are always in the Force with thought. The ability to allow someone living in the mortal world is then just a choice to make when important.
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    Really you dont think how you present something to the movie going audience is important?
     
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    I said he's one of the force, but he's not a force ghost. That's my point. If I worded it wrongly, then I'm sorry.
     
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    If Luke, Yoda, Han and Snoke knew who the parents were, then either perspective it doesn't matter. If the Jane and John Doe's of the galaxy don't know then that's on them for not knowing about Kylo's lineage.
     
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    Still dont think I was clear. I think if someone is one with the Force then they can therefore become a Force Ghost. I think it is that simple.
     
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