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Ep. 5 SHADOW WARRIOR

Discussion in 'Ahsoka' started by Lord Phanatic, Sep 13, 2023.

  1. Madmartigan

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    I thought exactly the same. Even I tried to look for the scene cause I was pretty sure but didn't find nothing. Must be like a Mandela effect or something XD

    But yeah, the reference is clear from Luke.
     
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    (Dark side cave. 40 years. Haha I found this avatar on Displate. It's the poster for the 40th anniversary of TESB, my favorite sw film)

    Right. I don't think ANYTHING in star wars is in line with the laws of physics except engines and propulsion?
    The crossover. That was an intense moment. Rosario's eyes envisioned vivid emotion in that shot. Ani got beat. She rocked a sick martial arts (@Rogues1138) on him in taking his saber. He killled children and it's disgusting so for me that scene gave me great satisfaction. I just wish he was still alive to feel that kick to his face and the threat of losing his life. But She didn't give into the dark side, she was better than that and didn't need to be a jedi to realize it. She's extremely powerful in her own right and is worthy of starting her own more advanced order (in Peridia?).
     
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    Now Aksoka’s attitude in her episode of the Mandalorian makes more sense to me. “No way I’m gonna train that tiny ticking timebomb. Go plop his little green butt on a magic rock and have him ask someone else.”

    It struck me, at the time, as such an uncharacteristically fear-based motivation for her. But now there’s context. It’s not that she was afraid of Grogu being trained. She was afraid of Grogu being trained by HER.

    It now also jives better with how oddly cool she was with Luke training him. They were in different places mentally/emotionally. It wasn’t truly about him. It was about her. She had her own stuff to get through.

    Nifty.
     
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    Maybe he did feel it. I mean, the blow turned his head - and unlike emo - PT - Anakin - he simply moved on to the next part of the lesson.

    Agreed.
     
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    Eppy bordered on biblical more than once....

    when she entered the waters (near starmap/force nexus) Anakin was with her.
    Only question I have is how long was she under?

    ***

    Vader was as real in the WBW as Ahsoka is.

    First part of the lesson, was causing her to fall.... and land where she did not want to be.
    After she came to those terms - her memory brought them both to a place Anakin had never been.... because she still didn't see herself correctly.
    Tano was rocked in her core when AnaVader kicked her in the midsection and she aged 30 years in process.

    ***

    AnaVader has mastered the great mystery - he blasted his Apprentice hard enough to transcend space & time.
    The last time they met, he aimed to kill her. RInse repeat in WBW. He saved her from certain death - when in anger, she forgave him.
    She found balance and moments later; the rising waters led to her spirit back to her body.


    Meta.
     
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    She emerged from the water 'born again'. Not so subtle baptism reference :)
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    “ There is Life in every breath...”

    “That is, Bushido.”
     
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    For those not familiar with Kanan
     
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    So Shin has a green crystal in her padawan braid. I did notice how she reacted when Marrok died. Could there be a connection?
     
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    Vader rules.jpg

    Kare no kata ni chikara ga haitte imasu.



     
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    I had the same reaction. I watched TCW but there's something about seeing Clone Wars Ahsoka in live-action that made me realize -- as I never had before -- just how young she was.

    Disney has done live-action reboots of all its animated classics, I wanna see a live-action reboot of the Clone Wars now. :) :) :)
     
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    Let me set the record straight, Rosario Dawson is a great actor, if she wasn't, Ashley Eckstein or some other actor would be playing Ahsoka. Dawson is following the direction of the directors of this series, she is indeed, a great actor; don't let the fandom hate deceive you. If they hate her that's ok, that's fine. They don't resonate with her... A good martial artist has patience, resolve, and can not be easily influenced. Martial artist can not win every battle, but will learn from the experience, and become triumphant to fight another day.

    Sabine Wren, who they love, wants the quick and easy way out, which leads to the dark side, she wants to speed up her training, but Ahsoka said, it doesn't work that way, because a good Jedi / martial artist has patience & resolve. ( why didn't her untalented Jedi self shoot Baylan Skoll in the back of the head, she could have blown the back of his Skull completely off... instead, she points her gun at the map, and tells Skoll to step away?) :confused:

    They want this show to move fast, they want Grand Admiral Thrawn NOW, they have no patience or resolve... LFL knows this, thats why LFL gave them 3 episodes of Andor upon release, because it was also too slow, 3 episodes were not released because Andor had better writers, Andor took a slow pace too; however, there was no Rosario Dawson, or anyone of her ilk, in that show, so they loved it.

    BTW, just in case, I'm a fan of Andor, Ahsoka, TCW, Rebels, TBOBF, Obi-Wan Kenobi, The Mandalorian, all 3 seasons, and I look forward to The Acolyte & The Skeleton Crew; I'm not looking forward to Lando, I fear that Donald Glover will take the Ryan Reynold's route and make POO-Poo jokes, and make a farce out of a beloved franchise... I really hope I'm wrong, and the supposedly Lando film, or Disney+ series is good Star Wars. :D
     
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    Yup, Anakin Skywalker killed women and children / younglings, to ensure the total destruction of the Jedi Order for his own selfish passions, his son, Luke, WOKE him up, and he sacrificed himself for the greater good, I will never forget as well all the destruction and death he caused, but that's their hero, not mine, but that's ok. It was a great story, nonetheless...

    People that don't have experience in the martial arts don't understand that it was created for the smaller, weaker man to defeat the bigger, stronger opponent. (wing-chun was created by a woman) Anakin displays strength, ferocious, and savage power; however, a talented Jedi can easily take him out, for example Yoda, its all eye candy for the uninitiated.

    Some toxic youtuber said, Anakin let her win... yeah ok, keep believing that... haha. :D (they don't resonate with her)



    Shin has a green crystal in her padawan braid. I did notice how she reacted when Marrok died. Could there be a connection?

    The actor who plays Shin Hati said, episode 6 is her favorite, maybe we will discover more about her origins, I hope... 4 more days!

    I don't agree with Star Wars Meg, she wants a well established Thrawn all in episode 6? We'll get Thrawn maybe at the end of epiosde 6, which is 46 minutes long, and understand his plans to lead maybe in episodes 7 or 8. These youtubers want everything NOW.... haha
     
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    Actually, we are both super-wrong : ObiWan says exactly the opposite :D On Mustafar when Anakin says "If you're not with me, then you're my enemy", Obi actually ignites the saber and says "I'll do what I must".
    We shall both recitate a thousand orders 66 as a penitence :(



    WOW.
    Amazing.



    All the clues are here, even the umbilical cord (the man who dives to rescue her).



    Agreed.
    (thank you Google Translate :p)
     
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    Great post. Spoken like a true student of Zen.

    No deception here my friend. Ani is what he is. The yin and the yang. The positive and the negative, his character arc, but it doesn't excuse mass muder and it's in no way a pleasant thing just to make that clear. This isn't me jumping all over Anakin for his sins just because Soka beat him. Obi Wan did a thorough job of that already. This is me seeing him for what he is and it felt good seeing him get get owned.....again. Lets be honest about who we're conversating about here. Deceieved or not decieved he was a sicko and a child murderer, (Bane as well, he's no prize either) long before the jedi temple (sand people) massacre. He made the conciense decision, like we all do in life and we're all held accountible is the message. Relative consequences. So dont get me wrong. Darth Vader is a dope character because he's an example of the choices NOT to make in life. He's a great symbol. My name is a homage to the character of Lord Vader because I resonate with his character arc but he's not excused. None of us are but he's still a space hitlor. I could care less if some Anakin is God fanboy/girl is butt hurt because Ahsoka beat him or as they say, "because Anakin alloooowed her to pass the test". If he "let" her win then how did she make her transformation? To let her win would be to cheat her of the lesson he's trying to teach her in the first place. She overcame her fear.
     
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    That’s pretty silly. The Anakin character is there as an obstacle for the Ahsoka character to overcome. He represents her own internal fear about herself. When she defeats him, she defeats her own limitations. It’s not about who would actually win in a real sword fight. It’s an introspective clash set in an illusory dreamscape :confused:
     
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    Was it a legion of them? Or, just one turd?
    (pwned)Depending on the situation - it can mean a few things - ironically perfect for a msg board of Last Internet-Samurais with soo many brilliant minds.(pwned)
    Up until eppy 5, Baylan was most Zen in the show - now, Snips has the helm.
     
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    Finally watched! Great episode, easily one of the best of the Post-OT shows. (Ep 4 is up there too.) Filoni did a great job at bringing in Anakin and making it work as opposed to being fanservice for the sake of fanservice. (And he did a great job of making Hayden look at least roughly Anakin's age and appearance. FAR better than Obi-Wan did.*) Filoni's really upping his chops when it comes to edits and fight scenes. (The transitions to falling and into the Clone Wars was brilliantly done, and seeing the action of the wars in live action was amazing. The set was smaller than preferred, but I give the show a pass on that, as it's a show, not a movie, and it's really just a nitpick in the grand scheme of things.) The fights are still struggles for him, but this is the best one from him so far, a solid blend of PT and TCW maneuvers and OT styling. The dialogue is still a bit stilted and choppy, but that's probably just going to be the case for the whole show now. I've accepted it.

    I'm also a little worried about the episode count. We only have three episodes left and a LOT left to do IMO, so these episodes need either be nice and long or brilliantly paced as to not feel like a minute was wasted. Preferably both.

    Overall, Filoni's working with a solid team, a pretty good script, and GREAT VFX and set designers to make this show one of the best D+ live action Star Wars shows, right up there with Andor.


    *I love seeing Hayden return, but like Freddie P Jr. in TBB, they should have gone for someone younger for that cameo.
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    Love your take! I always just saw it as "he needs a Jedi to train him, and despite my [Ahsoka's] training and appearance, and despite what others call me, I'm not a Jedi" thing.
     
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    The last two episodes have completely changed the dynamics of the show. I found myself unwhelmed by the first three episodes (probably because, rightly or wrongly, I had expected what we've gotten the last two episodes from the get-go.) But the show has certainly hit a high note with its reprise of the Clone Wars in live-action. I'll be honest, never in my wildest fanboy dreams did I expect something like that to happen.
     
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