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SPOILER Following up on that "LUKE THEORY WHICH SHALL NOT BE NAMED"

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Kyle, Oct 13, 2014.

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  1. Kyle

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    Good evening,
    Hopefully you are all preparing to watch the season 5 premiere of the Walking Dead as I am. Received a very interesting email a few minutes ago and I would like to share. This touches on one of the images I described in a previous thread regarding a certain scene with Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, and Adam Driver. The email I received connects a few dots but does not answer the BIG question everyone has been asking themselves since the bomb Making Star Wars dropped a couple weeks ago.

    As per usual, I would like to preface this with SPOILERS, and I will be touching on already revealed MAJOR SPOILERS. So....SPOILER and MAJOR SPOILER ALERT!







    YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!







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    Okay. Let me first apologize for the redundancies that will pop up in this post. I've mentioned some of this before, and I'm only going over it again for the sake of coherency and keeping in mind first time readers. It's always a pain to have to track down previous posts.

    So, I posted a few weeks ago that an image was described to me as a battered and slightly beat-up Luke Skywalker having his lightsaber drawn on none other than Han Solo. Han Solo, in return, clearly has his blaster pointed at Luke. Luke is said to look frantic and somewhat crazy, adding to the overall disheveled appearance. If this is not shocking enough, Adam Driver, not dressed as a Sith or holding a weapon, is standing next to Han, giving off the vibe that the two are on the same side and Luke is going after them.

    Making Star Wars posted that not only is Luke the villain of the film, he has also become more cyborg than just his right hand. Heavy stuff and I did not believe it at first, but my source has said it is true, "from a certain point of view".

    Here's where we connect the dots, if you're still with me....

    Both scenes, the concept art he saw and the cyborg stuff of MSW, are from the final climax of the film. At this point, Han has been trucking around the galaxy with Boyega, Ridley, Isaac, Chewie, and his own son, Gleeson. My source doesn't know the details, but the Millenium Falcon does indeed crash on the planet and catch on fire. Before it crashes, our heroes bail, and I'M DRAWING MY OWN CONCLUSION HERE, are separated because the escape pods land in different areas of the crash zone. Each passenger ends up alone on the planet.

    Here's where I and my source are making a big guess. No one, except Boyega, knows what Driver's character looks like. Similar to Luke, Driver has been living a life of isolation, only utilizing a few select members of the remaining Imperial Fleet when needed. At some point, after the crash of the Falcon, Driver heads down to the planet to hunt the rest of them. He encounters Han first, and believes Han may know where Skywalker himself is. So he tricks Han, or maybe he just gets nasty and forces Han to help him find the others. My source and I believe Driver tricks Han and that leads them to where Luke is.

    The real Luke. Now, my source has no idea as to why Luke looks crazed and appears to be going after Han. I speculate he just faced off with someone else who has landed on the planet as well, the real villain, and Luke believes Han has lead them to him or something like that. Because we cut to....

    The cyborg scene MSW talks about, Daisy Ridley embracing a cyborg version of Luke Skywalker, discovering her former master has turned to the dark side, and apparently she is not far behind in his footsteps. Boyega walks in on this.

    My source has not seen this piece of art, but he/she says it is UNDOUBTEDLY Max Von Sydow's character, and that the cyborg is all that is left of a once powerful dark side being. The cyborg has the ability to change facades, don't think T-1000, it is more Mission: Impossible with fake masks and skin. The mechanical body is just something for the entity to inhabit until it can find a better vessel. Skywalker was the first choice, but a much younger Force sensitive being, like Daisy Ridley, would be even better. That's why Adam Driver's character has been looking for Skywalker's apprentice all along.
     
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    Ugh...
     
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    I hope Daisy does not get possessed by a old man/robot. Seems like a waste of a very likable actress. Maybe she can pull it off. Nice scoop man.
    Big Take Away if true.
    1. Luke is not the bad guy.
    2. Gleeson a Solo
    3.Daisy not a Solo

    Which brings me to some concerns. Makingstarwars also said that Sydow was playing someone that lived in the clone wars and lived on the same planet as Daisy. If he wanted to use her as a harbinger why not do it there? Why is some ancient monster living on a some random unimportant planet? Too watch Daisy? Also if she is Luke's apprentice and Sydow is pretending to be a evil Luke to lure her into a trap but being Luke's apprentice she knows he is not evil and therefore the false Luke façade is pointless. Another question raised so is Driver the lackey of Sydow? Why else would he be looking for Skywalker's apprentice. One can also assume that this is the planet that Luke settled on and both good and bad guys are there seek him out. Why is Driver using Han not find Luke instead of using Daisy. How the heck does Han know where he is? Did Luke and Daisy have a falling out which is the reason they are not together at the start of the movie. If Daisy does get corrupted by this monster will her soul and personality be gone and replaced by Sydow's. Will there be no trace of the person that used to have her body? Or will she be trying to fight back and over the course of the trilogy will she being trying to get rid of the monster inside of her. How in the heck did Han of a redheaded son!
    MY BRAIN HAS BEEN FRIED!
    TO MANY QUESTIONS NO ANSWERS
     
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    This is a scoop? I thought it was a kid making things up.
     
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    Scoop? Where?!?
     
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    They want you to start using the edit button instead of posting two comments within a short amount of time. I know those two comments you posted were so full of wisdom and its hard to fit into one post but give it a try anyway.
     
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    Finally something to speculate on thats actually plausible
     
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    This is totally fan fiction. It isn't accurate in any way. Max von Sydow is a drinker, junker, and sits in a bar for most of the film. He's nothing more than what Kira will become if she continues on her path.
     
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    No rumour is more or less legitimate than another until we get official word from Lucasfilm via the tie-in merchandise in 2015. ALL rumour sites are posting what should only be considered fanfic until then.
     
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    It's actually not, and I don't appreciate the dismissive tone. I don't claim to know what happens in Episode VII anymore than you do, and I have been nothing but respectful when mentioning your posts, even when they conflict with things I've heard. You have your sources and I have mine, and who knows, we could all be wrong. I don't have the time or skills to build a site like MSW or STar wars 7 news, so I choose to share what I have heard hear because I respect the work Viral does. If MSW had a message board, I would post there as well.

    Just because I'm posting on a message board doesn't mean you should dismiss my post as fan fiction. If it was that I would have labeled it that.
     
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    Jason he has a good point and I defended you as not acting like you know for sure. It is your point that some of this stuff could be concepts that were rendered based on the The Arnt Script. Or as you said the stuff you have is all fake.

    I bet he looks just like this.
     
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    We need to have some sort of shorthand grading system for our sources... something to qualify the level of integrity of the post... something like this:

    A - Someone directly involved with production
    B - Relative/Close friend of someone directly involved with production with "pillow talk" access
    C - Friend of a friend, third hand, second string
    D - Unknown source, could be anyone, but deepthroat ain't never fed me any bad crap
    E - Personal friend who knows more than me about most things, so I call them a "source"

    Of course, this would only work if people were honest about their sources... and since some of the posts I believe are total fabricated crap, their citation most likely would be also
     
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    The only way to know for sure is to retroactively compare these spy reports to the official screenplay and 'making of' artwork featured in the tie-in books when both emerge next year via official sources. The 2013-14 rumours that tally most closely with them can be traced to their poster who will logically be taken more seriously as regards 'spying' on future Star Wars projects.
     
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    .........

    MOD (Viral Hide): Jason from MakingStarWars is our friend and we'll not tolerate foul language.
    Just to make it clear: this is his real account.
     
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    Why do I think <Dark Empire> and a emporer that goes from one clone body to another.

    btw I have a feeling that jedis (force users) are look at like potential enemys and that is why luke is in hiding and maybe this can be the reason for han and lukes "duel"
     
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    Hmmm. I don't buy it. Fun read though.
     
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    thanks for the post Kyle. great read as usual.

    to the kyles and jason's of our SW world... we appreciate and enjoy what you post - please keep doing so.

    crossing swords over speculation/spoilers/whatever is inevitable and unfortunately there will be some among us who don't fully appreciate your presence or what you post.

    as with your own and others info.. take it all with a grain of salt and try to take the criticisms in your stride.

    @ Viral: i saw the offensive post before you rightly nuked it.. should the report button work for us? as it error'd for me.

    have you never seen the Epideme red dwarf episode Tom? ;) lol
     
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    Hmm that's weird. I tried the report button with two different accounts and it's working. What's the error message?
     
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    Never watched it before.
     
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    i should have done a screenie (i'm a programmer and should no better!) but i stupidly didn't.

    i believe it said that i didn't have the required permission or along those lines
     
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