For those who've read the so-called MSW "plot synopsis"...

They don't Anakin lost his at a robot machine in a factory

 

I am getting the distinct feeling that the leaked "plot" is roughly 50% accurate. I think some damage control went into effect once the Jakku (before it was called Jakku) leaks started to appear and false information has been mixed with true info. In fact, one of the reasons Luke might be absent from the trailers, is to mislead people like MSW into believing his information about Luke only being in the film for about 15 secs. Remember, there has always been extremely wild "leaks" that turned out to be completely false before every SW film.

 

Few issues i have,

1. How do you know luke wasn't in teaser 2? Who's hand is on R2?
2. There is no misinfo campaign, even @Viral Hide has said this time after time
3. Most "wild" rumours are coming from 4chan or reddit, MSW/SW7N/SWU rumours/spoilers are not exactly that far a part are they? Social Media sites have ZERO credibility due to their anonymous nature. Literally anyone can create dummy accounts and spout nonsense.

 

True, but there has also always been at least one source who had the entire thing pretty much nailed, apart from a few misinterpretations on the part of the individuals involved, for each of the prequel movies.
Lucasfilm/Disney have done an amazing job preventing the actual script (or at the very least a synopsis) from leaking at this stage.

The fact is, MSW seem to have shot their load now. They had some concept art, and they have done their best to piece together coded details of what was filmed. They've got nothing new because they are just going over the same stuff now...
The next chance for a big leak will come when someone linked to the production of the adaptations - novelisation, comic, storybook etc - hooks up with someone who brings it to the masses. That window of opportunity is probably just around the corner...

 

It could be a great movie, but I have two major problems with it:

1.It's not a sequel to ROTJ, it's not really episode 7 as it's a re-boot. I totally get now why they're marketing it as 'The Force Awakens' not 'Episode 7' This doesn't mean it will be a bad film, it's just not what we've all been excited to see when 'Episode 7' was announced cause this ain't it! It is a slightly different take on A New Hope with different characters

2.The lightsaber fight at the end is a massive anti-climax. 3 low skilled fighters, or a complete novice and an untrained potential jedi against a villian who if he can't dispatch them within seconds just isn't a threat and it ends in the worst possible way with the ground around them collapsing ffs so Ren flees. Stupid decision, 90% of us could have written a better way for that duel to end. All the early reports and Mizzlewump had the duel ending because Luke got involved, why the hell they swapped that for the ground collapsing I'll never know.

I'm sure this film will be good, but those two points are really bugging me. I was also thinking at times 'what is the point of this story' as well. I wish they'd have gotten stronger writers in

I think this is going to be the film that casual fans and the GP absolutely rave about but us fans probably stick in 3rd/4th place of our favourites. Which Disney will probably be over the moon about

 

I think MSW synopsis is missing some elements, perhaps the elements that can pull the whole film together? I wouldn't mind if some of the things mentioned occurred but that floating lightsaber is puzzling. I know, it's stupid to obsess about THAT, but I just can't get over it.

 

I don't understand the cynicism towards the lightsaber floating through space. How else would you want the movie to start? The MSW plot outline explains that the saber hasn't been just randomly floating through space for 30 years, but that certain events have happened with the saber that set the story in motion. I'm sure that it will be explained by the flashback along with a lot of other things. I like the way it starts with the lightsaber wondering aimlessly through space because it represents the current start of the jedi and the force itself. It's just out there doing nothing waiting for someone to use it, thus.... The Force Awakens,

 

Well, the obvious thing, of course, is the dialogue.
I mean, people are judging the Kylo/Rey confrontation on the basis of this description, but really...
Ben reaches the tunnel leading into the hangar. Vader blocks his way. They ignite their lightsabers and Ben advances.
They fight.
This is intercut with our heroes making their way to the hangar.
The duel moves into the hallway connected to the hanagar.
Troops move towards the hallway.
Vader wins the fight.
... Nothing sounds that exciting when you just have a description of the set-ups.

I have a hunch the duel in this movie will not be of the "will-please-fans-who-like-to-see-a-load-of-twirly-lightsaber-acrobatics-with-little-substance" nature, but more of the "there-is-a-lot-of-exposition-between-characters-and-some-emotional-investment-in-what-is-going-on" type. It should be a meeting of minds and a clash of ideals as much as anything else, and I would expect plenty of dialogue between the protagonist/antagonist.
And, like I say, that is what we are lacking at the moment.

Well, speaking as someone who's been a fan since the beginning, if this movie becomes my fourth favourite SW movie then Abrams and co have done what was required. Depends at what end of the gaping chasm between third and fifth it happens to fall at...

While I don't have a problem with the lightsaber thing, it is worth pointing out that MSW is still clearly struggling to get to grips with the info regarding the flashback and the lightsaber discovery.
The flashback sequence described by MSW has the lightsaber falling, being discovered by a farmer, being sold on to a wealthy trader, being used by "the seven" against "the clan" and then (it is implied) being taken by Maz.
I can dig all of that, and can certainly see how some of those events shown in flashback may be out of sequence (as in, we are working our way back in time in little jumps).
Because taken "in sequence", they seem to clash with the idea that the farmer finds the saber, gives it to the MVS and Poe is summond to collect it. The flashback suggests the farmer discovery happens way in the past and the saber makes its way to MVS many years later as the movie timeline begins.
Either way, it doesn't explain why a lightsaber is falling through space (which, as I said, I'm not that bothered about after meditating on the matter at length) because this is either the first thing that happens (sticking to the flashback timeline) or Maz launches it into space from her castle in a scene we have not had described yet...

 

The hope at the moment is that maybe it's the best one. That's not realistic as Empire is amazing start to finish and ANH holds so much nostalgic value and just has an aura of magic about it. ROTJ and Sith are very beatable though, as much as I love those two they're far from perfect, both of them had bland first halfs but amazing second halfs. If this can be great all the way through it will top them hopefully

I think thanks to the new effects, it having the feel of the OT and it having characters that are more relatable to modern kids than the big 3 the general public will probably consider this the best one, or on par with ANH. For us it's if it can beat Sith/Jedi or then how close it can get to the first two. I think this will be most people's third favourite even after reading the synopsis. Any negativity I have now is after realising this isn't really Episode 7, I've been so excited to see the continuation of the story since it was announced in 2012 and this isn't it. I just hope this film is so good it makes up for the fact it appears they're kinda starting again

 

I read most of it. It doesn't change my excitement for the movie one way or the other. My investment in the story will be directly related to the characters and the script.

 

If I see one more movie where the climactic final battle is on a crumbling ledge, and the hero appears to be falling only to be saved at the last possible moment by a Deus Ex Falcon, I'm gonna lose it. I hate this trope. Hate it hate it hate it. It wasn't suspenseful when I was 5 and it's not suspenseful now. And where did I see it last? Oh yes.

That this film seems to hinge on yet another crumbling ledge sort of fills me with suspicion regarding other creative decisions.
If it's true, I'm bothered.

 

As one who put together an old thread trying to string along the plot from MSW and other sources, there are just too many wholes and questions without context. Here are just a few questions that pop in my head from the opening scenes:

• Why do we open on a lightsaber?
• Why does it land on Jakku in particular?
• Why does the Vicar contact Poe in particular?
• When does the First Order Star Destroyer appear?
• Based on leaked artwork showing Captain Phasma with the, is she present at the village burning?
• If the Vicar gets killed so early, what happened to all those rumors about Rey seeking the MVS character out to get answers about the lightsaber?
• What happens to Poe after he and Finn get shot down in the stolen TIE?

A lot can answered with a smartly written crawl, and clever dialogue in the opening sequences to establish the much needed context.

 

TFA is the beginning of a new trilogy that will introduce new characters so yeah it's going to have similar themes as ANH but i don't see how you're seeing it as a reboot. and in regards to the Episode VII title, whether it's got new characters or it's only involving the big three looking for a retirement home it's going to be Episode VII. That's just a fact.

 

I highlighted what I find very interesting there. Why do you think TESB and ANH in particular's first halves are so good?

Now I think all the movies are great. That said I think ROTS is a notch above the rest of the films. So it's ever so slightly greater than the other greats. First among equals and all that. It is ultimately the core story of all of Star Wars as TPM and AOTC build into it and ANH, TESB ROTJ and now the ST are the aftermath of it.

In terms of first halves what for you is the cause of this "blandness" that you don't get in TESB? ANH it seems is due to nostalgia more than anything. I feel that nostalgia as well though I set it aside when doing deeper analysis. It can't help but be the slowest of all because the speed of it so much depended on it being so new and different that now that it's all so familiar it can't be that anymore.

 

I don't think speed has anything to do with it.
A bland thing travelling at 100mph is still bland.

 

Sorry. You think ROTS is the best film?
Get out...

 

Adding poster to block list lol

Everyone is entitled to their opinion The GB, except in this instance. I would argue for an NDA be placed on all of Qui's future thoughts.

 

I could not agree more! No one seems to mention the fact that MSW detailed a whole OTHER trailer where "rose" gave a narrative on "the one you seek" . We won't know for sure until December, and it'll be awesome! I can't wait!!

 

1.- He was in teaser 2, what I mean't was that there was very little of him in the teasers. Trailer 1 or Teaser 3 will give us a better picture, but probably not by much.
2.- They could be wrong.
3.- So? Everyone can be wrong. There is no guarantee of anything when it comes to spoilers, leaks, rumors, etc.

 

Erm, that trailer description was actually posted here first, before other sites latched on to the story. Ward was actually one of the ones who said it was fake...
The teaser two description eventually posted by MSW was still a little off though.