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Go for 'R'??

Discussion in 'Solo' started by Talon Karrde, Feb 28, 2016.

  1. Talon Karrde

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    This picture speaks for itself. #1 grossing R rated film film ever.

    I'm not UtD on where we are in pre-pro on the Solo movie so it may even be too late to consider this, but would making the Han Solo film an R-rated venture produce a better film more suitable to our view of the character?

    Would you like to see R-rated Star Wars?
     
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    No.

    Han Solo was cool, down to earth, a real smooth talker, a bit of a flirt, an opportunist and a scoundrel at times, but, above all, a class act and a hero who followed his heart.

    Would hearing Solo using R-level language, seeing him get ultra violent, or seeing him in some expressly adult-oriented context improve his character?

    Not at all.

    This is one of several posts now I've seen on this matter of "R-rated Star Wars films," and I have expressed some more of my thoughts on that in another thread.

    Other films and stories having to resort to R-level tricks and shock values to generate views do so because they tend to lack what Star Wars has: substance and lasting power.

    In short, I believe Star Wars does not need to go that route. Its plentiful shocks and awesomeness come from its compelling characters, unique concepts / worlds / situations, and its very strong tradition of mythical storytelling.

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    Deadpool made money because it was a good movie, not because it was R rated. Deadpool aimed only to make a deadpool movie, and it did that.

    A HAn Solo movie should only aim to make a Han Solo movie... the takeaway from deadpools success should not be "make it vulgar and violent" the takeaway should be "you do what you do the best you can"

    traditionally speaking... every movie that has ever aimed for a rating and gone out of its way for that rating, has been a massive failure (both AVP movies spring to mind, one trying to be too kiddy the other trying to be too adult...both with forced non-sensical bullcrap too achieve that rating)
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    No, Han Solo was a dork that pretended he was cool and talked too his car.
     
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    Just going by the films, Han's character is truly remarkable, in my eyes.

    Some highlights include:
    • Greedo, point blank.
    • Helping Luke Skywalker rescue Princess Leia.
    • Coming back at the most pivotal moment in A New Hope to give Luke a clear shot at the Death Star.
    • Going out and risking freezing to find and bring home Luke Skywalker.
    • Saving Luke from freezing on Hoth by opening a Tauntaun and sliding Luke inside
    • Navigating an asteroid field in the face of impossible odds.
    • Fearlessly confronting Darth Vader.
    • Surviving Vader's interrogation.
    • Maintaining his cool in the carbon freezing chamber and asking Chewie to protect Leia.
    • Acknowledging Leia's statement of love in the coolest way: "I know."
    • Dealing with Jabba the Hutt and Bounty Hunters, even with his life on the line.
    • Leading the Rebel mission on Endor.
    • Being there for Leia.
    • Hauling Rathars.
    • Leading the nearly impossible mission to Starkiller Base to deactivate the shield.
    • Appeal to Kylo Ren when he knew the dangers.
    • Sacrificing himself in hopes of appealing to the goodness in his son.
    I believe these things positively distinguish his character and secure him as one of the most admirable persons in Star Wars.

    And I love that he talked to the Millennium Falcon.

    I admit did that with my very old car many years ago, and she stuck it out with me :D

    (han) "Hear me, baby, hold together." (falcon)

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    Thank you! The two AVP movies are perfect examples of the problem with changing a story for rating.

    As for an R Rated Star Wars film, I've said it before and I'll say it again. The reason that Star Wars is arguably the biggest franchise of all time and the reason that it appeals to so many is because it appeals to ALL ages. When I pop in a Star Wars movie at home, I enjoy it, my parents enjoy it, my grand parents enjoy it and even the little kids gathered around enjoy it. Does that mean that you can't tell gritty and slightly more adult oriented stories in the SW Universe? Of course not, the history of the Star Wars material produced in other mediums shows us this.

    At the end of the day there are certain things we simply don't need to see in Star Wars. Sex scenes, foul language, brutal R Rated violence. You can hint at all of these things of course(Han Solo being a bit of a womanizer wouldn't surprise many people for instance), but there is no reason to show them in the movies as those things are not needed to tell the story and would just feel out of place.

    When you take R Rated franchises and cut them down for a PG-13 rating it frustrates the core fan base, see franchises like Terminator, Alien and Predator, and Robocop. Similarly, taking family oriented franchises like Star Wars and making them R would do more harm than good, additionally, Disney would be leaving a lot of money on the table as well.
     
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    Not only would the rating not suit the Star Wars franchise, but Disney would never greenlight it.
     
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    I think th
    I think that PG-13 would be way more practical because it can potentially push the boundaries (which it won't) while also being the goofy movie that t should be because a part of Han Solo's character is about how he falls into these situations which he always has coming but he tries to talk his way out of it...the only violence he does is to save himself ---and Chewbacca--- and eventually he princess and the entire galaxy...what I can understand Disney allowing LFL to do Anan "R" movie about would be A Bounty Hunter movie but even then they wouldn't push t nearly as far as Deadpool I don't think .
     
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    ummmmmmmm... most SW films are now PG-13
     
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    PG-13 is king, you'll never see a R rated Star Wars movie unless its a last ditch effort to squeeze the last drops of the money juice out of Star Wars by going all dark, edgy and graphic.
     
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    Interesting responses. I wasn't really sure where to come down on this matter and frankly I am still not really sure. I certainly knew I wanted PG-13 for Solo, but, after watching Deadpool..
    I was also thinking of some more subtle things that have shifted over to the R side.. example: smoking/vaping. You noticed we didn't have any of that in Maz's Castle.. instead they were gambling. So, restrictions spawned creativity I suppose.
    There's more than boobs and blood behind that rating is what I'm trying to get at.
    But @Pomojema is right; they really don't have the cajones to do this. And yes, Solo will still be fine with PG -13 and yes an R-rated film can still suck.
     
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    Short answer: Star Wars is not an R franchise.
    Long answer: I am not against to R-rated films If I was, I would be one of the biggest hypocrites in the world. The number of R-rated films (mostly horror) in my collection is huge. Hell, my Star Wars Blu-Rays are sandwiched between my Alien Blu-Rays and my Blu-Ray of Angry Video Game Nerd: The Movie (which, if it had been submitted to the MPAA, would not have gotten anything less than an R due to the large amount of swearing in that film).
    The thing is, should the film in question be an R-rated film? Deadpool, the example on every one's minds right now, should be R. That's the character. But the simple fact that it is R isn't why it is a hit. It is a hit simply because people liked it. It knew what it was, it knew what it should be, and people understood it.
    Are there cases of films that should have been R that weren't? Yes. As a horror fan, I know it very well, especially when a film was severely cut down just to make it PG-13 to get as many teen butts in seats (didn't stop me from seeing Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem in theaters when I was 14...boy that film sucked). But the reverse is just as bad. Intentionally bumping up a rating isn't the way to go either.
    The most important thing is both the tone and the feel. A film can get the same rating as a predecessor, but be higher up within the rating. For example, the Rambo series. All four films were rated R. But the fourth installment, the confusingly named Rambo (I really hate that trend), is far more graphic than its predecessors. I saw more blood in it than in many horror films. Actually, it was more on par with Predator than First Blood, Part II.
    In the end, Star Wars is just not a film that belongs in the R rated category. The main series should never cross that line, and most of the anthology films shouldn't either. The Young Han Solo Chronicles (can't help but make that joke) shouldn't be R. PG-13? Yeah, that sounds right. Could Rogue One be R? Depends on the tone. If it is about the horror of war, it could work, but I don't think it will get that gritty.
    In the end, Star Wars belongs in the PG/PG-13 categories.

    On a final note: you really think that Disney, a company famous for being family friendly (whose name is slapped on every single piece of Star Wars merchandise), would make an R-rated film outside of Touchstone? Hell no! In the case of Deadpool, we are lucky that Fox is clinging to the X-Men rights, otherwise it likely wouldn't have been made as what it is.
     
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    I never said, or even slightly implied, that Han Solo didnt do amazing and impressive things... I said that he is a dork that pretends he is cool."

    talking aboutp ersonality, not talking about his accomplishments.
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    as for the topic of an r-rated star wars film... I dont think that it is impossible, I jut dont think that it would be the Han Solo film.

    I have a hard time thinking ofa story in the star wars universe that would necessitate an r-rating though...
     
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    Star Wars is not adult entertainment, plain and simple. And the Walt Disney Company does not produce it, either.
     
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    I meant like pushing it towards an R rating but higher than what we normally see .
     
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    That's kind of what I was thinking... Maybe Han would be best served by a film that 'snorkels' the R ratings. It shouldn't be a gore fest and I'm not looking for an excuse to drop the F-bomb or have Twilek girls run around without their tops on (although I'm not against the idea..:D), but at the same time this is a Han Solo that is NOT the Han Solo who has gone through a character arc of redemption. This guy is running drugs. He's waist deep in crime syndicates. According to Star Wars purists, he shoots first because he's supposed to be a cold blooded killer. He's a bad guy having to navigate a world of evil guys. And it's those nuances the R can give you that are of interest to me right now.

    Because right now I'm sitting here watching a certain Disqus user gratify himself over the fact that TFA walked away with nothing tonight at the Oscars.. Meanwhile at lest three of those five categories we had a nomination in were won by an R-rated rip-off of Star Wars:
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    So that now really has me thinking.. :eek:
    Sorry if this is all over the place. We've gone from Deadpool to Mad Max; my thinking on this is raw right now. I'm angry.:mad:
     
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    Thanks for clarifying, Ralok-one.

    For me, I was looking toward his actions and accomplishments as for the overall sense of how cool/remarkable he was.

    So, when I wrote...

    and you quoted my quote above and replied with...

    ...I thought it could be helpful for me to list the things I remember him for and believe that make him "cool" and admirable in my eyes.

    Perceptions are subjective, though, and however you choose to perceive Han Solo is up to you.

    As we are fans coming from different backgrounds and with different ideas and experiences and expectations and preferences, many of us will find certain aspects of characters more positive and impressive than others.

    But that is all right, because it's all part of the overall dynamic and subjective fan experience.

    And it's nothing, in the end, to take too seriously :)

    It should be fun, I think, and, wherever possible, an exercise in openmindedness where we can allow for other perspectives and even try to see, when someone says something about some aspect of Star Wars, if there is something possibly there to consider or acknowledge.

    In my eyes, Han Solo is definitely not presented as a model social interactor or even a perfect dresser (since his clothes are more about utility than fashion), I but would not feel comfortable using the derogatory word "dork" to describe his character or suggesting he pretends to be cool since he, for me, did seem to manage to keep his cool under some pretty pressing circumstances, such as navigating that asteroid field in The Empire Strikes Back. It was almost like he was channeling the Force at that point.

    Since Leia really seemed to know him better than anyone, though, maybe I should defer to her descriptions
    • "stuck-up, half-witted, scruffy-looking nerf-herder"
    • "You have your moments. Not many of them, but you do have them."
    • "You certainly have a way with people."

    I always loved this exchange...

    Han: Come on, admit it. Sometimes you think I'm all right.
    Leia: Occasionally. Maybe. When you aren't acting like a scoundrel.

    (han) + (leia) forever

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    No.
     
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    How is that a SW rip off at all ?
     
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    Immortan Joe=Darth Vader
    Max=Han
    Furiosa=Leia
    Nux=Modified Luke Skywalker
    Girls=Artoo/Threepio
    People Eater=Jabba
    Bullet Farmer=Boba Fett
    Nux's comrade=Biggs; dies at a similar time and fashion in the movie
    War Rig=Millennium Falcon
    Big cliffs=Death Star
    Canyon "Fury" Road=Trench Run
    Meeting Old ladies=contacting the Rebels
    Seeds=Death Star Plans/Map to Luke
    "Brothers in Arms" scene=Man the Guns scene
    Doof Warrior=Cantina Band
    Old ladies=Yoda
    Water gushes=Death Star blows up
    Furiosa Raised=Ceremony scene
    Blood bagging Max=ESB torture scenes
    Control of the water=the more you tighten your grip..
    Sandstorm=asteroid field
    War Rig gets stuck in mud=Dagobah
    Joe wants his kid back=Vader wants his kid back
    Joe has a sad devotion to an ancient religion=Vader has a sad devotion to an ancient religion
    War boys are all white with black accents=Stormtroopers are all white with black accents [color accent, not voice]
    War boy deaths are mediocre=Stormtrooper deaths are pretty mediocre looking to until TR8R came along
    War boys are fanatically loyal to Immortan Joe=Stormtroopers are fanatically loyal to Darth Vader
    Furiosa was a high ranking official until her rebellion was discovered= Leia was a high ranking official before her rebellion was discovered
    For medical reasons Immortan Joe's body has to be encased in armor=For medical reasons Vader's body has to be encased in armor
    Immortan Joe requires a mask and respirator to breathe properly=Vader requires a mask and respirator to breathe properly
    Above mention mask has been styled to lood terrifying=Above mentioned mask has been styled to look terrifying
    Furiosa rips Joe's mask off and he dies=Luke rips Vader's mask off and he dies
    Rival Spike Tribe=Tusken Raiders
    #2 engine goes down in the last action scene="Artoo that stabilizer's broken down again.."
    "Fool Scene"= hybrid Han/Jabba&HelloGreedo
    Tough Guy with tubes= Recasted Chewbacca
    Prosthetic arm=Prosthetic arm
    Furiosa kills Joe with a chain=Leia kills Jabba with a chain
    Everyone gets on Joe's car to escape=Luke get's on Vader's shuttle to escape
    And of course.. *preps Plinkett voice*
    ..."Faaaaaaaaliiiiiiiing..."
    [​IMG]
    Well, by all means @Pomojema tell me how it's completely original and not a rip-off of Star Wars at all..
     
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