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Han passing the torch. THEORY

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by rprkjj, Jul 6, 2015.

  1. rprkjj

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    Talking about the roles of the main characters across the trilogies in the rumors thread got me thinking, and I have a neat theory in my head that I think deserves it's own thread for discussion. Obi-Wan, like I said in the rumors thread, was the Han Solo/companion role in the PT, except for Episode 1. In Episode 1, he's more of the Luke and Qui-Gon is the ANH Obi-Wan of his story, with Padme being the Leia. In Episodes 2 and 3 we see Anakin take up the main role, pushing Obi-Wan into the companion slot when Qui-Gon dies. (he couldn't have been the proper lead in TPM considering he was kid) Similarly, Han Solo plays a smaller part in ANH than he does in the later films, Ben was the larger character and like Qui-Gon, dies at the end.

    Obi-Wan is the companion of Anakin in the PT, and becomes the companion of Luke in Episode 4. He later dies as a martyr for Luke, and Han Solo who wasn't featured as prominently is much more present in the following 2 films. I think we'll see this same thing happen with Han and Poe. Han will be the martyr of Ep. 7 and pass the torch to Poe as the Han Solo/companion character, like Obi-Wan did him and Qui-Gon to Obi-Wan. I really like this theory, as I would like to see more of Poe.

    I'm probably just reading too much into it but I'd like to hear your guys' thoughts.
     
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    As long as Poe is as good a pilot as Han I can see that happening, maybe there will be a moment if Han is wounded he tells Poe,

    Han: Poe for the moment she is yours (referring to the millennium falcon)
    Poe: I'll take care of her.
    Han: You better.
     
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    Hmm, what's weird is that I'm pretty sure Rey will inherit the MF and be it's pilot, but that would leave Poe in an awkward place if he were to reside on the ship and not pilot. It's the thing he's probably best for after all. But then again, Luke isn't on the MF for the entirety of Episode 5 except the end, so it's possible.
     
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    My reason is if something did happen to Poe Leia in Han's absence to give ownership to Rey & Finn, Luke might be on the falcon just after Han's quote ''Chewie were home'' for a mission briefing at that he gets into his ship & leaves.
     
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    I'm sorry I don't understand what you're saying. I thought you were talking about Han perishing so why would Poe be in danger now? "Poe Leia in Han's absence to give ownership to Rey and Finn," makes 0 sense to me. Not trying to nitpick but I honestly don't know what you're saying.
     
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    I Meant if Poe was killed in one of his xwing space battles, maybe Leia & Han will have a moment were he instructs her to give the falcon to Rey, sorry if I wasn't clear, the Poe/Han moment was just a thought.
     
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    Ah, I see. I would be pretty disappointed if Poe died this movie; he has a lot of potential and it would be a bit awkward with just Finn and Rey. They need a third character to bounce off of, both as a mere plot device and for the sake of character development, both for him and Finn and Rey.
     
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    It's a pretty solid theory, @rprkjj, but we know so little that one can't really comment much. This works for me though, (although personally I would like for Harrison Ford to act in the rest of the ST too :p ).

    Btw, you should put the [SPECULATION] badge in the title of your post.
     
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    True, just speculating. It came to me and just made sense, I'd be somewhat surprised if it doesn't happen, at least the tidbit about Han dying. imo somebody's guaranteed to die and it probably wont be Luke or Leia.

    Is that something I can change now? If not, my bad.
     
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    I think you're right about Han dying, and I'm ok with it, but it would sure be cool to have Harrison around for the rest of the trilogy too :)

    I think you can change the title by just editing your original post? If not, some mods will do it shortly, I'm sure :)
     
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    Well he has revealed he is more than pilot so I hope me concluding his fate so early doesn't happen.
     
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    I don't think you're reading too much into this theory at all. It makes a lot of sense and it fits well with the previous films.
     
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    Thanks, the one point I'm iffy on is how muddled the character roles become during the course of the PT. This isn't necessarily a bad thing but Obi-Wan is the protagonist of the first film and the first film alone, so you kind of have to think through the mud with that one to see Ob-Wan as the sort of companion character when he isn't in Episode 1 and your're basically rooting for him in Episode 3.
     
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    I don't know why, but I think if Han does die in TFA he will go down with his ship. If Han dies, I don't see a Falcon being around to pass on. I could see a scenario where a wounded Han remains aboard the Falcon, waits 'til it is boarded by bad guys, then blows it sky high, himself included. I know the Falcon is iconic and I would love to see it last the ST, but something tells me it may not play out that way.

    Also, there was talk a long while back about another ship referred to as the Falcon, or mini Falcon or something along those lines. If there is another ship being referred to that way, I can see that being the ST flagship, imho...
     
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    This is an interesting theory. I would also like to point out that in both previous trilogies, 2 of the trio have a romantic relationship and 2 of the trio have a sibling relationship. In the OT, Han and Leia were lovers while Luke and Leia were siblings. In the PT, Anakin and Padme were lovers, and one could argue that Obi-Wan was like an older brother to Anakin (if I remember correctly, in ROTS just before the final light-saber battle, Obi-Wan protested to Yoda that he couldn't confront Anakin because Anakin was like a brother to him). I think that in the new trilogy, either Poe or Finn is going to be Rey's love interest, and the other one is going to be like a brother to her.
     
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    I definitely think the OT characters have to "get out of the way" and let the new crew shine. I think they are largely here to legitimize the new generation, and to literally pass the torch. So I think you have something.

    I think some people are going to gripe about just how much of the OT are in the film. It's actually more than what Lucas wanted but I still think all three are largely supporting characters now, the story is largely seen through Rey's eyes I think. It's through Finn's eyes until we meet Rey, then I think she takes over as the heart and soul of the film.

    Just a hunch.
     
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    I'm curious what you see as Finn's role in this analogy. Assuming Rey is the "main character", wouldn't that put Finn into the companion role? Perhaps Poe is the Leia, and Han is just the first step mentor, rather than the companion.

    However you want to label Han's role, I believe he will be strongly connected to the story. Where as Qui-Gon could have been replaced in TPM by any other established Jedi, I think there will be an element to this story that will make it personal for Han (my belief is it will be as Rey's father). I don't think Harrison Ford would have been lured back if the story hadn't specifically given Han a real connection to plot in way that allowed the character to explore new aspects of his personality and continued growth. Seeing as he will spend most of his screen time with Rey, it would create a very interesting dynamic, and a wholly new one for Han Solo. And it would elevate his role above the generic mentor that Qui-Gon was in E1.
     
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    Better line for Poe: She won't get a scratch.
     
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    This is where things become somewhat muddled. Poe will probably have less screen time than both Finn and Rey, which puts him in a more Leia-ish role. But since Finn is likely to be Rey's love interest (considering Poe spends almost no time with her in the MSW synopsis, and it'd be somewhat odd if this was the first trilogy to not include a romance sub-plot of any kind), he's also somewhat occupying the Leia space (even though Leia ended up with Han, I find that relationship more likely than a gay relationship between Poe and Finn). The connection is somewhat blurry as Poe and then Finn are the first main characters introduced yet Rey is the main MAIN character, but with Poe's limited screen-time, non-Force user-ness and multiple other parallels with Solo, he just fits the bill. It might be more plausible he's a Lando-esque character despite rumors Lando returns in 8, but I digress. These characters might just occupy unique enough spaces that it's futile to attempt to draw links between them and their predecessors, which I'm finding to be true and is making me pretty happy. :p
     
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    Sorry Lando already tried that & failed, here's the proof no antenna.
    [​IMG]
     
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