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Only in passing....

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by Suicide Samurai, Apr 21, 2015.

  1. Suicide Samurai

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    I think this can warrant a new thread.

    There is a lot of speculation, based on this, that, and the other thing--things from the EU, old films, old games. I have seen a lot of arguments that certain things will not--cannot (!)--be used, because the audience would have to have seen other films/comics/games to GET the whole story.

    They would be lost without this information.

    However, I propose these lines of dialogue, as universe building that did not confuse the audience, but instead made us curious.

    We knew nothing of these items:

    The Clone wars.

    The spice mines of Kessel.

    The Kessel Run.

    The Battle of Tannab.

    There is much more here, but these wer the 4 I chose to start off with.

    I am looking for things mentioned in the films and never explained IN the films.
     
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    Can't think of many at the moment, there are these minor ones that have apparently been built up quite a bit.

    "You look strong enough to pull the ears off a gundark."

    "What of the reports of the Rebel fleet massing near Sullust?"

    EDIT: Oh yeah, and I forgot: "Many Bothans died to bring us this information."

    Certainly one that has been brought up as to what a Bothan is, but nothing that anyone really overthinks when seeing the movie.
     
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    Bounty Hunter on Ord Mantell. (Han mentions it in ESB)

    Jabba (pre-Special Edition) He is mentioned in ANH and ESB and no one really knew who or what he was.

    Big Corellian ships (Han in the cantina)

    Lando and Han's past.

    You're not on a mercy mission THIS time. (Vader to Leia)

    That's all I've got for now. I think it would be cool to give the EU a few shout-outs like this.
     
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    I don't know. References to a wider world makes all viewers equally curious. Everyone is on an even playing field. It makes the people watching imagine what they could mean. Those sorts of things are what created the EU.

    Referencing the EU immediately divides the audience between those who know and those who don't. Think Quinlin Vos in RotS. Some will know and some will not. Those who speculate will be immediately shot down by those who know, killing the process of world building through imagination. At that point it becomes more of an easter egg than an expansion of the universe to make it feel real.

    Not that either is inherently bad. But those references are part of what made the OT capture the imagination of so many children of my generation. The ability to participate in discussions and creative workshopping on what those things could be. My childhood was dominated by conversations on what a Sith was and how Palpatine rose to power. What exactly was the Kessel Run and why a unit of distance was its measurement. I would love to see those things return in the new trilogy. I was so excited when I heard of Jakku, but slightly disappointed when I found out we'd see the battle in a video game. The idea of just starting a movie on this planet with the crashed ships in the background with little to no explanation is exactly the kind of thing that the OT would have done. But it is not to be I suppose. Too much opportunity to cash in on additional canonical materials.
     
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    Yeah, I'm afraid they're going to lay it on a little too thick. They are out to sell as many comics, books, games and toys as possible. So, as with the original EU, if you want to know something, there will eventually be a book or comic about it. I really loved the EU in the 90's, so my wanting some EU love is purely personal.

    One cool think from back in the day though, is that George put several time periods off-limits to EU creators. i.e. In between IV and V, Anakins early life. It might be good if Disney decides not to fill EVERY gap. I think I'm with you, I would like some passing references that no one ever really figures out.
     
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    Thanks for the responses.

    As far as world building went, I think the OT did a really good job of creating dreams/curiosities through single lines. The PT appeared very limited in that, to me. We had a few mysteries, but they were, indeed, plugged by a comic, a book, or a game.

    I'm just wondering how many of these "backstory" comments we're going to get, and how quickly are they going to get plugged up. I don't think that there will be any damage done the way Disney will handle things, but I remember the "Enter the Matrix" game (I think it was called) and "The Animatrix" filling out a ton of that series, but doing so in a very poor way. By that, I mean the expanded fiction was almost necessary to know who some characters were, and how the characters had evolved from one film to the next.
     
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    It might be difficult to tell at first which references will be intended for basic world enrichment with simple throwaway lines, and which are intended to be explained at some point in some other media. For instance, I'm sure we'll get at least one reference to the battle that happened on Jakku at some point, but we also already know they intend to explain that via Battlefront and possibly one of the books... I'm thinking I heard someone state it should be addressed in the Aftermath book, but maybe it was another or maybe it was pure speculation.

    Anyways, the Battlefront Jakku explanation is apparently a sure thing, and we know Disney has a ton of stuff working in the background that we haven't even really got much wind about so... there's a good chance that most of the notable references we don't understand will be plugged up pretty fast. Actually with the seemingly strict control they appear to be taking over the canon, there may be fewer references to unexplained curiosities than we're used to.
     
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    I had completely forgotten about that Matrix stuff. The Animatrix was pretty good in spots, and the video game wasn't awful either. But I do remember thinking it must be really off putting for general audiences who have no idea who Ghost is.
     
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    I was confused by a lot of stuff. I never played the game past an hour of messing around, but I had a friend who had played the game and he filled me in with a ton of
    "Geek-lore." I had seen the Animatrix, however, so I at least knew who the kid who worshiped Neo was.
     
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    I don't think everything should be told.Let the imagination flow through you......:p
     
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    Maybe even a reference to the Emperor in A New Hope, we didn't see him fully fledged till RotJ
     
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