RUMOR Hayden Christensen to return in Episode 8.

As far as Anakins force ghost was concerned I've always thought it odd that dispite the fact that he had spent the majority of his lifetime as a sith lord Anakin was still able to become one with force, like Obi-Wan and Yoda before him. Now, I'd like to think this was simply a case of GL not having fleshed out the idea of force ghosts quite yet (what it takes to become one, WHO could become one etc.). All that mattered at the time of ROTJ was that "When Jedi die they become one with the force and can thus can reappear to the living in the form of a force-like spirit".

However we now have a (canon) explanation for what it means to "become one with the force" which is established in the PT and "The Clone Wars" TV series via Qui-Gon Ginn. Now if we follow the logic that is presented to us by GL... forget about what form he takes, Anakin Skywalker simply turning into a force ghost after death in it of itself already defys "force ghost logic". So how could this phenomenon be explained? Simple...he's "the chosen one", Akin to Jesus Christ in the Christian religion Anakin was not born of natural circumstance rather of immaculate conception. He is basically the force itself personified...both physically and metaphorically (darkside/light - Vader/Anakin). So the idea that he would naturally achieve force ghost status after death makes perfect sense to me...and in that same vein him taking on the form of "The Jedi Knight (now master), Anakin Skywalker" also also makes sense IMO. The very concept itself bares similarities to elements of the Buddhist teachings about life after death as well as there being a slew of possible metaphorical reasonings/explanations for this change. I guess my point is that while it's an obvious retcon by GL...in the context of Anakin "the chosen one" Skywalker...it works. IMO it doesn't really mess with "force ghost logic".

Not to mention the technical/legal/moral delemas Disney faces when trying to bring back deceased individuals such as the great Alec Guinness and Sebastian Shaw to the big screen. Would their respective family's allow it? Is Disney legally bound by their contract with George to refrain from such actions? Would WE really be ok with it, from a moral perspective? If the rumored Tarkin appearance in R1 via digital facial alteration is true I doubt that it would for very much screen time...

Not to mention the fact Disney already aknowleges Haydens ghost Via the Official Star Wars App and the fact that they have their own "Story Group" who's main objective is to approve stories that fit properly into the new established canon (which includes the PT). Bringing Hayden allows them to have an actual person play the role of Anakin Skywalker rather than some random old guy who's face has been heavily altered in post production plus Hayden would tie all the film's together.....Disney kills a million birds with a million stones while dogging another million potential problems....at least thats how I see it.....

 

Everyone has been saying it might be as a force ghost, but if all indications are correct that he has to get into shape what is to say they use material from the EU in cloning Anakin? It makes more sense to clone him, just as they wanted to clone Luke in the EU books, if i am not mistaken they had done it or tried to do it? No doubt some DNA exists from that Helmet? All they need is a good DNA sample and they can clone Anakin.

While many ppl think that PT were bad, they were in some ways while they were solid in others but i blame Lucas for the poor script and acting by Hayden, ive seen him other stuff and i think he was a great in those films.

 

If they wee to Clone Anakin, they'd have to find a way to IMPLANT his old memories into his mind, and I'm sure Hayden is in great shape, but I doubt he would be needed on the set in order to save money, just film him in Post - and comp him in .

 

Yup, I'm all for it. I grew up with the prequels, it has a place in my heart. Sure, as I grew up I saw why people didn't like it, of course.

But, Hayden's acting.. is kinda bad that you just gotta learn to love it! He was good in Jumper, his dialogue would of been pretty hard to work with, plus Lucas said himself he hates working with actors.. So I feel sorry for him, because in a way, he destroyed his career.. as well as Jake's life. Woops, the rambles!

Jar Jar is evill I tells ya!

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Yuck, I hate that show. Very cringe.. much annoyance.

 

i see it as comedy

 

Why would they need his implanted memories and how do we not know that Vader didnt do so before? Anything is possible in scifi, fantasy.

 

Because for the earth audience to believe, we need earthly influences, and that would mean to have impacted memories to influence him or it would take another lifetime that the bad guys don't have .

 

I understand that, but so many different ways they could go about this and like i said it is Scifi/Fantasy they can do anything.

 

What idea would you have, out of curiosity .

 

One more possibility: what if they decided to do Anakin as Force Ghost AND show him in flashback? What if he explains himself to his offspring, and in the course of that retcons or contradicts things about himself that we think we already know? The Rashomon Effect is already a prominent feature of the Star Wars Universe...

 

What's that mean ?

 

I dont know about you, but iam really turned off by flashbacks or time travel when it comes to movies, i am not a fan of flashbacks and find it pure laziness to fill in a movie because they could think of anything else.

 

...especially in A Star Wars Film .

 

Well they seem to want to bring Vader back. The only way to do that is through flashbacks, time travel, parallel universes, retconning, and cloning. I used to rant on Star Trek boards about how Berman/Braga ruined that universe with too many Butterfly-effect time travel plots. However, of the options presented, Force ghosting, which has been demonstrated will be Anakin rather than Vader, time travel with no retconning (though some Rashomon effect is acceptable) and flashbacks are infinitely more acceptable than other types of reintroduction. Cloning in particular is for lovers of the suit more than the character and would forever sour me on Star Wars.

 

Maybe not a Flashback...but similar to Empire when Luke faces Vader during Jedi training and sees his face under the mask...Maybe luke is still haunted by this image? or maybe Rey might see something similar if she shares the Skywalker bloodline.

 

What's funny is that I could easily make a few phone calls and see if his agent is willing to confirm or deny it to me...most likely give a non-answer, though.

 

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I like the idea of Hayden and by virtue Anakin returning for the ST, even if it's just episode VIII. If we view Vader as a Dark Messiah, you could say the PT was his "birth," the OT was his "death," and the ST would be his "resurrection." This could work for Anakin too with the PT being his "birth," OT his "death," as Vader, and the PT still being the "resurrection." You can have Snoke wanting the power of the Chosen One, and willing to cheat death to gain it (or something like that). If he succeeds, you can have three generations of Skywalkers all fighting (preferably together) at the same time (Anakin, Luke, Rey and/or Kylo Ren). If Snoke fails...well, someone can come up with a story for that.

I also works for the speculative information we know about the Knights of Ren (Note: I have been avoiding all of the trailers past the Japanese/International one, which includes TV spots, featurette videos, behind-the-scenes, and every other form). If they truly worship Vader, then maybe their true goal is to find a way to bring him back to life. This could also work well IF Snoke is Plagueis - they would be following him because he created/helped create Anakin and would know the secrets to bringing him back.

Long story short, there's a ton of fun stuff you can play with if you're going to bring back Anakin Skywalker.

A/N: I'm pretty sure I said something similar to this in another thread, but I can't remember which...

 

Long story short (in my opinion), he's no Jesus Christ, except for the parallels of being made from
Midi chlorides in order to be "The a chosen One."

 

just speculation but what if Luke makes a Force Illusion for Rey for training and she has to face Anakin and learn from that?

Or like in the Legends now that flow walking like Jacen Solo can do? SHowing Anakin in his prime, his fall, and eventually Vader too.(Not that i WANT them to use the old EU)

 

What's "flow walking" ?