SPECULATION HOLD ON!! DID HAN ACTUALLY TURN THE LIGHTSABER ON?!!

I posted on another Han Solo discussion thread about this theory. At the time, I was completely on board with the idea. However I thought about it and I realised, Han didn't have to kill himself to sacrifice himself. As you have said, Han chose his destiny, he chose the path he wanted to go down. He didn't care that Kylo Ren might kill him. All he wanted to do was reach out to his son, and prove to Ben that no matter what terrible things he had done in his life, Han still loved him and was prepared to give his life for him. Han didn't have to ignite the lightsaber to prove that.

I believe that Han knew what was going to happen, but he couldn't leave Starkiller Base without trying. He wanted to make up for the mistakes of the past. I believe that Han's sacrifice is going to alter Ren's journey dramatically as time goes on, and maybe he will realise the message Han was trying to tell him: that Han had forgiven Ren, and that there is still a way out. There is always a way out, no matter how lost he has become.

Still, I found it an interesting theory. There is definitely a possibility it could have happened. Kylo Ren looked teary and shocked after Han died, and the way he says 'thank you' isn't mocking. He seems truly apologetic. I said this before in the other thread, but, Kylo Ren/Ben Solo could not have enjoyed his father's demise no matter how evil he had become. And not only this, but there are some very promising arguments about why Han would do it. Maybe he knew what Kylo Ren was going to do and he didn't want him to have to live with the burden of killing his own father.

So there are arguments for and against this theory. I'm not entirely sure which path to go down myself, but I think we are going to have to wait and see. I would personally like to find out more about Han and Ben's history. Why was Ben so angry with him? Why did Han seem so sure that he wouldn't come back to the light?

 

For all intents and purposes, Han sacrificed himself even though he did not know what we be the outcome. He tried to bring Ben back but Kylo won out...for now anyway.

I don't think Han expected a lightsaber through his chest. But it fueled Rey's desire and even anger, so seeing her mentor die was a good thing.

 

i suspect Rey being fueled by her anger is going to come back to bite her (Dark side and all). not entirely sure that's a good thing.

 

At Star Wars Celebration London, there was this cosplayer who had dressed herself up as darkside Rey. It was pretty awesome. I really hope they'll make Rey turn just for a little while.

 

I have no clue if this is a spoiler but last year or begining of this year i found an image of Rey which i believe was her as dark with new hair and such.

 

possibly fan art? In ROTJ, Luke was dressed in dark and he wasn't a dork!

 

No, he may have been given a choice to turn it on Ben/Kylo Ren, but would not have done that. It was a sacrifice for him either way. I don't think he went out there intentionally to die, nor do I think he turned it on himself or turned it on, and was shocked as to what did happen, but in a way, he gave permission or was willing to do whatever it took. I think it will end up being a step to bring him back so to speak, time will tell.

 

It wasn't fan art it looked like an actual figure.

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After killing a beloved character audiences won't like it if he came to the light, same with the people within the actual story.

 

Han didn't. The script as well as body language (Kylo moves forward when he ignites the saber. You can see it clearly in the behind the scenes featurette on the Blu-Ray) indicates that it was indeed Kylo who ignited the saber, killing Han.

 

I disagree. If he doesn't go back to me, it will be like he died for nothing, or that his parents, Uncle Luke, and everyone failed. I am sure however he goes in the story they will give purpose in his death either way, but if it was just an act to kill him for the sake of killing, I don't understand how someone could just be satisfied with that. I can understand wanting him to be a villain through and through, but it doesn't seem to me that he is just evil to be evil, that he has an agenda, and he had to kill him or he had to die in order for KR to get where he had to go either way, but it had to have purpose. Han was a fan favorite, and I can understand wanting revenge, but it's not a real life tale, and it just doesn't make sense that his death has no purpose and that is frustrating to me when people say "He has to die because he killed Han, or he is evil because he killed Han."

 

I don't think he did.

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Mmm might do that for next year Celebration in Orlando

 

Audiences may not like it at the moment but things of course change. He doesn't need to die because at some point during the next two films likely ep 9 he may or may not redeem himself.
Also Kylo killing Han could be a similar thing to what Anakin did to Windu. The moment where they can't turn back but of course Vader came back to the light, therefore Kylo can come back as well.

I may have just avoided the question or repeated myself.

 

No way Han would've killed himself. I have a theory though that he kinda knew Kylo would kill him and decided to sacrifice himself willingly. Whether that is true remains to be seen.

 

"DO IT"

So your going to Orlando. I'm not going to Orlando though I did go to London a few days ago. Can I use you as my goodie collector anyway. I'll tranfer funds and bonus fees for any exclusives.

 

Maybe not but no one knows wha they will do for their kid until it gets down to it .

 

Why not? Why wouldn't they like it? Do Han Solo fans really want his only son and legacy to be a failure? I get it, I was devastated that Han was killed, but why would you want his death to be meaningless? Such a loved character deserves to have a meaningful death. Tragic as it was, Han's death will have definite repercussions throughout the ST. I don't know whether Kylo Ren will turn back to the light (even though I hope he does) but whatever happens, Han's death will affect Ren's journey, for better or for worse.

 

they just wanted him to die .

 

Some people including myself may not want him to return to the light as it would be too similar to Anakin's journey in the past 6 films. Of course if they do bring him back to the light and it is done well then I will be happy. Do you really want Kylo to come back after he killed Han? His own father.
As well, Han's death was done in order to push Kylo closer to the dark, which doesn't make it meaningless.

They should have fixed the handrails on the bridge.

 

Fair enough, it would be very similar to Anakin's journey. But like you said, there are ways they could do it so that it his journey is different, but he could still end up on the light side. I have no idea which way they're going to go with this, but either way I don't really mind. However, like I said in my post, my gut feeling is that Ren will turn back to the light.

And yes, I almost cried when Han was killed, he is my favourite character, but that's all the more reason to wish that Kylo Ren will become good again. Han could then rest in peace.

And yeah, they definitely should've had handrails. But then again, considering this was on a weapon that can take out multiple planets and kill billions of people, I'm pretty sure the builders didn't have health and safety regulations in mind at the time. Just a hunch!

 

you might be surprised at the support there is for bringing Ben home.
while some fans are understandably angry about what he's done, his conflict also resonates with a lot of people and i believe the last thing anybody wants is for Han Solo to have failed.
he didn't talk Ren off that bridge, but hopefully the act will have repercussions that help bring him back nonetheless.

alternate ending meme i found under a search for "Save Ben Solo":