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How awesome could Revenge of the Sith had been if it hadn't been so rushed

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by Amanaman, Oct 10, 2015.

  1. Amanaman

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    Before I beguin let me say that I love the prequels and this post is not to bash the movies even though some of my comments are negative. That being said I also have to admit that there were alot of things that to my understanding could have been done in a better way that could have made Revenge of the Sith the most awesome movie in Star Wars history. First major factor starts in Phantom Menace. If Anakin were made to be an adult in this movie and he were already a aprentice to Obi Wan, this would have given more time for some awesome plot elements in ROTS to be resolved differently. Now we all know how developing both Anakin's romance and fall took alot of time from the remaining two movies from the PT and if he had started as an adult in PM, I know that it would have given us more time to better experince the following things that were rushed and felt sloppy in ROTS. Here's the things I feel were lacking: The battle with Dooku, the battle of the Jedi council members with Palpatine, Obi Wan's battle with Grievous and the death of the Jedi Order. Here we can see all the major elements that due to Anakin's childhood in the first movie and extended story in the following two, were clearly very rushed in ROTS because there had to be room for the climatic battles between Palpatine and Yoda and the final showoff between Obi Wan and Anakin. I won't talk much about Dooku as to not make this thread humongous but needless to say his death wasn't all that impresive. Now let's talk about the Jedi vs Palpatine. If there was ever a stupid death that could rival Boba Fett's it was that of Saesee Tiin, Kit Fisto and Agen Kolar. Man what a stupid way to go! Making old man Palps strong would have been one thing but just staring at him as he prepared to thrust his lightsaber at you seems pretty dumb for a dude that was a member of the council. And please don't give me the whole, ''not every Jedi in the council was a warrior'' bit because the predictable way that Palps moved would have let even Greedo see the thrust coming! Those were trained Jedi masters who were filleted like a bunch of losers who had never handeled a lightsaber in their lives! Next we have Grievous. I remember a guy named Lucas saying in an interview in the Star Wars Insider that Grievous was going to be the ultimate Jedi killing machine. This was further aluded to with the CW cartoons and the comics where we saw an awesome capoeira fighting Jedi killer who was really a force to be recond with. What did we get in ROTS? A cowardly droid who simply knew how to handle lightsabers. Seeing Grievous's fight against Obi Wan did nothing to show us that Grievous was impresive. I bet almost the same could have happened if it had been 4-LOM or IG88 fighting with a lightsaber in hand. Grievous really sucked after all the hype they had given him and even in the CW series he was made to suck so bad that all he ever did against the Jedi was kill a padawan! For a guy credited to have killed tons of Jedi (including Shaggy from Scooby Doo in the CW cartoon), Grievous's reputation was greatly exagerated leaving one wanting to have seen more of his abilities. For a fan of only the movies, he was a cool robot who used lightsabers but to a EU fan who expected the ultimate Jedi killer, he was saddly very lacking to the point that they even cut out the only scene in wich we would have seen him kill a Jedi. Finally, we have the death of the Jedi order. For a bunch of masters who were highly skilled in the force, nobody except Yoda felt the danger coming from the clones as they began to sucker punch each and every one of them. A Jedi alone could destroy tons of battle droids but even the Jedi in the temple who weren't sucker punched because they had to CLEARLY have seen the clones blasting everybody from the very moment they entered, were killed like dweebs. This was very rushed and since nothing else was seen or said, it left many fans to wonder who died during order 66 and who didn't. Once again I feel that things could have been much better if so many plot elements had not been left to be resolved in the final movie. What do you guys think? Would it have been better if they had made Anakin an adult from the very first movie? Did slicing Darth Maul in the PM rob us of more time by having to intrduce us to Dooku in AOTC? Could some things have been more awesome if the SW movies ran for the same time as the Lord of the Rings movies? What do all you awesome SW fans think?
     
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    First of all, I really like your honesty in your post.

    Anyhow, I really liked Grievous.

    ? Have you ever watched the Clone Wars animated series?

    If you want to see more of the stuff you posted below than that is the cartoon to watch.

    Nice to meet you
     
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    Nice to meet you as well my friend! I have indeed watched the Clone Wars animated series and I love it alot but saddly Grievous's actions there never really happened since that series is not canon. The same thing is said about Durge who is an all time favorite of mine. Just like Grievous, Durge was so awesome in both the cartoons and the comic books but since those are not canon and he didn't make it into CW he can't be considered a true part of the saga. I wish they would consider putting Durge in Rebels or in CW if the rumors of the series returning become a reality.
     
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    I always thought Lucas should have had Episode 1 using the plot points of TPM & AOTC. And Episode 2 & 3 using the plot points of ROTS so it wasn't as rushed. Lucas divided the plot points for each episode 20%-20%-60% and by backloading ROTS, it's like he had to make sure he hit every line in the checklist of plot points.
     
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    Have you ever listened to the ROTS audiobook read by Jonathan Davis? It is dark, detailed, and compelling.

    So many story threads I thought were rushed and barely touched upon in the film, are covered in great detail in the novel/audiobook. In the book, Grievous truly is a monster. He's referred to as "an abomination of nature", and his story is told in such a way that there is no doubt about his evil nature.

    The climactic fight that begins with Mace and the other Jedi attempting to arrest Palpatine is portrayed as the epic battle it should be. The deaths of Saesee Tiin, Kit Fisto, and Agen Kolar happen very quickly, but instead of being silly, meaningless ends, their demise is brutal, and shocking. And Mace Windu is a total badass.

    The highlight of the overall story is Palpatine's slow and insidious breaking down of Anakin, and his final turn to the dark side is creepy, scary, and wonderfully dark.

    This is the opening paragraph, and in my opinion it sets the atmosphere perfectly-

    "This story happened a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away. It is already over, nothing can be done to change it. It is a story of love and loss, brotherhood and betrayal, courage and sacrifice and the death of dreams. It is a story of the blurred line between our best, and our worst. It is the story of the end of an age. A strange thing about stories- though this happened so long ago and so far away that words cannot describe the time or the distance, it is also happening right now, right here. It is happening as you listen to these words. This is how twenty five millennia come to a close. Corruption and treachery have crushed a thousand years of peace. This is not just the end of the Republic, night is falling on civilization itself. This, is the twilight of the Jedi. The end, starts now."

    I like the film Revenge of the Sith, but I love the novel/audiobook.
     
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    Wow that does indeed sound very cool my friend. I have never listened to the ROTS audiobook but I'd like to hear it now that you've told me these things. Is it something that they are still selling or online somewhere?
     
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    i agree that anakin and obi-wan/qui-gonn should have had an already established relationship starting in the phantom menace. the movie could have started with anakin around age 20 and obi-wan 10-12 years older. they could have gone on some deadly mission and it would have been quite an adventurous film.. i believe this approach would have been wiser on lucas's part, so we would be able to see the contrast of anakin, a trained jedi to luke, a farmboy with a great destiny.. that being said, i absolutely respect his decision to show us anakin from his roots, and i appreciate the film we actually were given. i think episode 2 could have shown how twisted anakin became, while at the same time showing us the romantic side with padme. the balance between the evil aspect of his personality and the romantic/tragic part of his personality would have made for one hell of a film. episode 3 should have had anakin completely devote himself to the dark side in the beginning, and the rest of it would have been vader/palpatine vs. the republic/ jedi order. this arc would truly have shown what the prequels could/should have been, which was the fall of anakin skywalker and the birth of darth vader. now after lucas made episodes 1 and 2, i think a two-part finale of RotS would have made sense. this would have obviously been a fundamental error because then it would no longer be a trilogy, but if we had been given a conclusion that didn't feel rushed, i'm sure people would have been able to overlook the fact that it didn't stay true to the star wars tradition, and perhaps a two-part epic conclusion would have allowed people to accept the two films that came before it ( more so than they currently do) . if anakin had fallen completely to the dark side by the end of the first part of a two-part sequel, the second part could have solely focused on the fall of the jedi, and the epic finale of vader vs. obi wan/death of padme. all of that being said, i do enjoy the prequel films so i can't say i can complain too much.

    p.s.- you should REALLY check out the clone wars series if you want more grievous. he truly is a soulless monster in the clone wars. the grievous/kenobi conflict in the clone wars was quite well done.
     
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    I would love to see a anti-cheese cut of ROTS with all the deleted scenes included. They're so important to the story and complete Anakin, Obi-Wans and Sheev's character arcs. Without these scenes every cut seems a little dis-jointed. What's an extra twenty minutes for GL's magnum opus?
     
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    Which Clone Wars series are you referencing? If it is the 2008-2014 Clone Wars series, it is absolutely canon. If it is the original 2003 Clone Wars, that isn't canon.
     
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    I isn't like the cartoon cartoon one...it was...too ONE DIMENSIONAL .
     
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    I kind of figured the 2008 clone wars was canon and the other series was not.

    Anyhoo, I didn't feel like ROTS was rushed but I'd say it did improve a few things that the previous PT films had. Nevertheless I enjoyed them all.
     
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    What was the worst/best thing for you about it ?
     
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    totally agreed! revenge of the sith was a great experience in the cinema, and many of my friends hold it as their all-time favorite star wars film.
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    yeah it was goofy. i have fond memories of catching it every week on cartoon network.. the canon clone wars series is eons better. it expanded the lore and mythos of the prequel era so much. now we wait for the animated series between ROTJ and TFA....
     
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    I was living on south padre island and jet skiing and whale watching and 4 wheeling between episodes all summer and it still dulled my experience -_- .
     
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    Ditto, I saw it in theaters too.
     
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    I wish that it had been in IMAX...that entire opening would have even more epic .
     
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    the opening of revenge of the sith is killer. i'm sure when the new trilogy is complete, IMAX theaters will marathon all nine films. i seriously don't know what could get better than that.
     
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    Except they wouldn't be IN IMAX so it would look tiny -_-
     
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    Ultra AVX was what I saw TFA in, totally worth it.
     
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    What's that ?
     
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