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SPECULATION How did Snoke know Ben had Skywalker Blood?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by master_shaitan, Jan 27, 2016.

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    In TFA Novel, it is said by Leia that Snoke watched Ben Solo from the beginning, knowing he would be powerful in the Force and that he manipulated him from the shadows. It appears that Snoke knew all along that Ben Solo had Skywalker blood. That Leia is Luke's sister. Another child of Anakin Skywalker. But the question is, how did he know this?

    The only people to have learned this were Bail Organa, Kenobi, Yoda, Luke, Han and of course Leia. Sidious knew of Luke but not Leia. And Vader only learned about Leia shortly before he died. (So that rules out the Sith ever passing the knowledge to Snoke in some way).

    Now we can essentially rule out Bail, Yoda and Kenobi telling anyone else. So that means that Luke, Leia or Han must've told someone. It should be noted also that it doesn't appear to be public knowledge that Luke was Vader's son (In the novel Snoke talks about how the historians have it wrong about what happened, putting it down to strategy and arrogance when it was in fact sentiment - implying they are unaware of Vader's turn to the light).

    What is also interesting is that both Snoke and Kylo know exactly what happened in the throne room in ROTJ. They know Vader saved Luke and killed Sidious. So either Luke told Kylo this and he told Snoke or Luke confided in someone else and this person informed Snoke. I'd imagine that Luke or Leia might have told Ben to try and keep him from the Dark Side, but even so...

    So the question is, who passed on the information to Snoke that Leia was a Skywalker?
    If Han, Luke or Leia told anyone they would know the risk - they would know that it would potentially put themselves and their kids in danger. And is there any reason for anyone else to know?

    The only other person we are shown to have had a connection with Luke and Leia is Lor San Tekka. Kylo Ren's remarks about how old he looks suggests he has been around the Skywalker family a lot. But how would he fit into all this? Did Luke and Leia trust him enough to tell him this information? Does this connect with the reason why he has the map to Luke? But if he told Snoke, what would that mean?

    Or did Snoke at some point befriend the Skywalker's himself and betray them? Did Luke or Leia share this information with him?

    I just think this is an important question as it could tell us a lot about who Snoke is.
    So, how did Snoke know that Ben Solo was the grandson of Anakin Skywalker?
     
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    Perhaps the fact of Leia sending Ben Solo to Luke's Academy is a sure tell sign.

    And we don't know the relationship betwen Luke and Leia after the Battle of Endor, Brother and Sister tend to show public displays of afection, the only sure thing is that Leia knew Snoke from the beginning, so he was lurking around, observing everything. Guess it's kinda pretty obvious Snoke would pick up, perhaps by the force, the connection betwen Luke and Leia and figure things out by himself.

    For Luke and Leia the Dark Danger is over with the death of Palpatine why keep secrets?

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    And Snoke and Kylo knowing what happened in the throne room and the final redemption of Darth Vader could only came from Luke tales, but if Ben Solo is Luke's family and disciple i think it might get pretty obvious that Luke will tell him what happened in the Throne Room and the victory of the Jedi over the Sith with the redemption of Kylo grandfather over the Dark Side. Snoke would then learn everything from his interactions with Kylo.
     
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    But Snoke was watching Ben before this. Leia only sends Ben to Luke when it's going bad with him. Snoke knows of Ben's Skywalker blood from birth.

    Leia explains that Snoke manipulated things from the shadows so we don't know how close he got. And Luke and Leia were known to be friends so if the were affectionate then that doesn't mean they are siblings to the causal passer by.

    Vader picked up the fact that Leia was Luke's sister from Luke but only before Luke was a fully established Jedi.
    It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Snoke just came across this knowledge himself somehow but it strikes me that this means he would've got it from Luke by means of the Force - and surely Luke is too powerful to have Snoke do that to him?
     
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    Perhaps Snoke made the first Skywalker...........:eek:
     
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    I think it has been suggested by JJ and Serkis that Snoke was around for a long time and somehow very much aware of what was going on..
     
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    But how? Sidious was around for a long time and he didn't know about the kids.
    There has to be a point within the year after ROTJ where Snoke learned that Leia was a Skywalker.
    Either that or he is Plagueis and and Plagueis has some kind of inside knowledge of the Skywalkers because he created them.
     
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    I don't want to get into a Plagueis debate on this thread so this is all I'm going to say or point out. Plagueis did not create Anakin. The Force created Anakin. It may have been in response to things Plagueis was doing but that is not the same thing as Plagueis creating Anakin.
     
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    Maybe he wanted to seduce Leia but then she wasn't having any of his Sith and then he sensed her weaknes that she had had had a son so that's when he started trying to deduce him .
     
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    I wonder if Snoke had been working behind the scenes helping the Rebels during the OT in some way, thus getting on side and being trusted by them?
    This then allowed him to get close to the Skywalkers and betray them post-ROTJ?
     
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    It was clearly Jar Jar Binks. :D
    The guy has been creeping on Anakin since he was a child.
     
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    the simplest answer, to me, is that Snoke was attracted to Ben's power, gained his confidence, and learned the truth from him.

    as proud as Ben is of grandpa, he might have idolized Vader from the perspective of his heroism at first (as has been mentioned: they may have told him as a cautionary tale, emphasizing his turn) ~ and then Snoke subverted that: yeah, your gramps was amazing. i knew him! coolest cat in the galaxy. but they're lying to you...." etc.

    i still feel like Snoke worked with the Resistance and/or Luke as some kind of advisor, so he had access to the family.
     
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    That is a good question. How did he find out?

    From what I remember from the Legends, Luke and Leia being siblings and Vader's children was not public knowledge - at least during the first years after ROTJ. I don't know which treatment the new canon will give to this, but I don't think Leia would like this to be known - especially regarding the perspective of having Vader's daughter as part of the New Republic. Anyhow, maybe Snoke knew of Luke's being Vader's son and then in any chance he found out Luke and Leia being twins, so he put two and two together.
     
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    This is my theory too. Which, if Ren was showing inklings of his power since birth says to me he may have some scary growth curve he'll be hitting when he gets properly trained.
     
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    That's not what the novel suggests. The novel tells us that Snoke new that Ben would be powerful. That he watched him from the beginning.

    Potentially. The only time frame to really find out about Leia being Luke's sister is within a year of ROTJ.
     
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    I prefer that one. Plagueis creating Anakin would demystifiy the skywalkers and their origins. I'd rather have him created by an impersonal agent like 'the force'.
     
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    isn't that what i just said? hahaha ~ i guess i could have been clearer: Snoke was attracted to Ben's power from the start.
     
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    They didn't waste their time, do they? LOL
     
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    i think it's interesting that he's actually kinda old for being this unstable/unfinished compared to Anakin and Luke. he does clearly have crazy strong abilities, so you wonder what he's capable of with actual training and guidance.
     
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    Agree! That is quite valid. It's the reason why I reckon Kylo Ren to be such an interesting villain - conflicted yet powerful.
     
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    Schmi ???????????
     
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