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SPECULATION How did Snoke know Ben had Skywalker Blood?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by master_shaitan, Jan 27, 2016.

  1. master_shaitan

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    Thanks for the info. I had a feeling it wouldn't have been public knowledge.

    I meant watched from birth. Like he knew Ben would be extremely powerful before he met him. That's what the novel implies.

    Leia says: He knew our child would be strong with the Force.
     
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    yes, that's what i mean by from the start. from conception even. from the moment Ben came into existence, he probably caused a ripple in the Force and Snoke would have been attracted to it.

    i'm clearly not articulating well this morning. hahaha
     
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    Ok, I'm following you now! Great minds think alike or fools seldom differ?!

    ...So you're saying Snoke sensed it. But Vader didn't even sense Leia's potential in the Force when he was talking to her in ANH. I'm not sure it could be sensed so easily. Even Qui Gon was uncertain with Anakin and did a midi test...but maybe I shouldn't go down that route...
     
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    It wasn't until prequel elucidation that we knew in more depth about sensing things through the force. Going back to the OT, Palpatine didn't feel out Obi-wan or Yoda and he even admitted to Vader that he didn't sense Luke near Endor on Death Star II. This is the main reason I'm leaning toward Snoke having been an aide to the Emperor or hidden in a Sith tomb on Rakata Prime.
     
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    hahaha.

    if we follow a premise that Ben and Rey are actually destined to balance the Force, then who knows how powerful they really are or what their Force signature looks like to someone who is FS. skipping the midiwhatevers and whatnot, we don't know enough about Snoke to know whether he's just particularly sensitive (he feels the "awakening" and so does Kylo Ren). that's not something, like you said, that either Vader or Qui Gon would have perhaps copped to.
     
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    I am trying to read it in the most serious way but that must be sort of like Snoke sensing when Han and Leia had their private matters lol. Sounds like a freaking Orwellian nightmare.

    But well, being serious, that might be possible. He might have caused a ripple in the Force then.
     
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    ohhhh let's not go there ~ remember now, conception can happen well after the business is done. hahaha
     
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    I know! Just imagine, if Snoke could've sensed that, poor Luke with his twin connection thing! Yeah, let's not go there lol.
     
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    That's my take on it, too. Thus he gets to know about the whole family connection, and with Leia seemingly being a rather indifferent Force user (she doesn't ask Luke any interesting questions in ROTJ), Snoke identifies her as the family's weakest link. So he sets his teeth into Leia's pliable son in order to destroy the Rebellion and the Skywalker family from within.
     
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    That's what I like from the comics, in the comics they explain how Vader found out Luke was his son. However, that is correct: Vader could not sense Leia's FS during ANH.
     
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    How did he find out? I've never actually discovered this?!
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 2, 2016, Original Post Date: Feb 2, 2016 ---
    There is talk of Ezra becoming Snoke...and he is now getting close with Leia.... (ezra)
     
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    Alright, this is what happens on a summary:

    After the Battle of Yavin, Vader is not in good graces with the Emperor due to the destruction of the Death Star and wants to find out the name of the X-Wing pilot who destroyed it. Then in one mission with the Rebels, Vader and Luke face each other and Luke tells him "You've killed my father" and Vader replies: "I've killed too many fathers, you've got to be more specific". Then he takes Luke's lightsaber and recognizes his old lightsaber. Luke flees and recovers his lightsaber, but Vader hires Boba Fett to find out who was the boy who destroyed the Death Star in Tatooine. Boba finds out his last name is Skywalker. Then Vader, with hired help, finds out Padme was not pregnant at her funerals so he finds out Luke is his son.

    I'd definitely recommend the new comics, they cover a lot between ANH and ESB and they are pretty good!
     
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    Thanks for that.
    I personally never like it though when the material outside the movies put characters together though when it really shouldn't be the case and it is implied otherwise on screen. For instance, Luke meeting Vader before TESB to me is off. It's like Anakin and Dooku dueling for a second time in the CW series before ROTS. I just don't buy it. It's contrived to make the new material seem more exciting. I was thinking Vader just used Imperial spies and found out who Luke was.

    Kind of makes you think though, why on earth didn't Kenobi suggest Luke take on the name Lars, rather than keep Skywalker?!
     
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    People assume that Snoke isn't a Sith. That is possible but he might be a force user in some way. He seems to want to train Kylo. If he didn't know the force then what would he have to offer Kylo? He is using Kylo to get to LUKE. He knows all about the family tree and where it leads. The is all about getting rid of the last Jedi and putting an end to that fire in the Universe. If Snoke is to rule the galaxy, he must end all hope of the Jedi saving the day again. He knows all about what happened before.
     
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    Agree. Sometimes I question myself the same thing, but I guess they did it to keep SW as a space soap-opera lol. Maybe they inferred Vader would not care about coming back to Tatooine and finding out about his offspring but I agree: if Leia had her adoptive name instead of keeping Skywalker or even Naberrie (Padme's family name), why they didn't change Luke's to Lars? Interesting.
     
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    Exactly. I've said it before, Snoke's greatest asset is his knowledge. He is clearly vulnerable so I don't think it's his physical might that is the issue.
    I think Kylo seeks to learn the arcane Dark Side knowledge that Snoke possesses - wherever he gets that from.

    And I think it is spot on to say that Snoke's #1 goal is to prevent Luke from starting the new Jedi Order as that will eventually result in his downfall. Of course he already saw that Sidious' failure to deal with the remaining Jedi was his undoing.
    I think this trilogy will be about both sides, the Resistance (once the Rebels) and the FO (once the Empire) attempting to end the threat of the other once and for all in the belief that this will mean eternal galactic dominance.
     
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    Bingo.;)
    All I know is; without Darth Plagueis, there is no Anakin Skywalker.
    What Plagueis did in his lab on the Hunter's Moon defines the word: cause.:)
    Reminds me of: "We will watch your career with great interest." And if something reminds me of one dead Sith Lord, then I must consider another character, someone more powerful than Sheev.... Darth Plagueis.
     
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    My sentiments exactly.

    ROTS, first viewing:
    Anakin: My powers have doubled since we last met, Count!
    Audience: Oh, he's twice as strong as in the end of AOTC - makes sense!

    ROTS, after viewing the Clone Wars:
    Anakin: My powers have doubled since we last met, Count!
    Audience: ZOMG, he's twice as strong as he was a week ago!

    So Vader finding out about Luke.... I mean, he just blew up the Death Star - you'd think everyone would know his name within 24 hrs. Vader himself said "the force is strong in this one."

    To me, it's enough for him to learn the name and remember what he felt during the Death Star run for things to click. No need to call Bobba Fett!

    Vader's line about killing too many fathers, though - that's a keeper! :D

    Because George never cared for such trifling little details. For that matter, why did they leave his other kid with a man through which she's bound to come into contact with Vader? For all they know she might grow up to be a dead-ringer for Padme!

    Some things are better left unanalyzed. ;)
     
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    Lol I thought exactly the same! And yeah, I might understand that, but so far I have enjoyed reading the comics.
    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 2, 2016, Original Post Date: Feb 2, 2016 ---
    I know!! Yes, sometimes it is not that good to nitpick a lot. And don't get me started on why Leia remembers Padme lol. Just because Lucas said so!! And I'm fine with it :D(padme)(leia)
     
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    How can she remember Padmé? She doesn't know Padmé is her mother. She only knows the Organa's and her stepmother (Queen Organa) died when she was still young? Or am I making things up now? I can do this just as well as Lucas himself you know......if I only keep trying.....then perhaps......nahhhhhhhhhhh
     
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