SPECULATION "I am a Jedi, like my father before me."

People are siding with what is closer to true human interactions.

Jedi wanted emotions and thereby attachment suppressed.
Sith want it to rule you.

Most people are in between.
No one wants to be as emotionless as PT Jedi were. And no one wants to be completely ruled by emotion as Sith are.

You know, balance....

 

Agreed. Very much so. She finds him broken and alone, and I can even see that dialogue being in the first 10 minutes...she hands him the lightsaber, they go in to talk in the tree, she says why she is there, he says no.

Good post.

Also agreed.

I think he'll walk down from his talk with Rey in the tree, see the Falcon, see Chewie and R2, and be quite emotional.

Something will trigger him to have the connection, most likely the Force back, and he'll realize who she is. Or at least her importance. And then agree to train her.

Further, my guess is after the training has gone on for a bit, Kylo shows up to burn the Force tree, there is a KOR battle, and something slips out about a plan against Leia or the Resistance or Snoke...and Luke will then accompany Rey off-planet to deal with it, even if he didn't want to originally.

 

People aren't super heroes. The Jedi code is a wise way to deal with people who have super powers. If people are left to do whatever they think is right that's a dangerous prospect. People justify all kinds of evil behavior.

 

Neither are Jedi. Most are just winners of the biological lottery to get stuffed full of midichlorians...
They are flawed beings. This is crucial. TBH if the Jedi Code was known in ANH, I don't think people would like the Jedi nearly as much as they do...they're honestly douchebags often...

Even in the comics with actual super heroes, Adam Warlock, upon becoming the most powerful being in existence...diverged his good and evil sides into two new entities (Magus and Godess) both of pure good and pure evil.

Jedi are "human" and susceptible to flaws. This is unavoidable unless they like Warlock, can diverge their good and evil completely and essentially be an emotional-less blank slate only believing in the truth of right and wrong. Not just suppressing, but fully getting rid of it from your body...

 

The key difference here in this fantasy universe the Jedi maintained a peaceful galaxy for over a 1,000 years before Anakin decided his way was more important. The Jedi order provided checks and balances.

 

And some idiot had to go and louse it up.
But if they would have been just a bit flexible....

Billions of people aren't exterminated in the blink of an eye

 

Is the Code not just people doing what they think is right? It's not like those rules came from a higher power - a code is no more or less susceptible to corruption than any other moral standard. And it's not like following the Jedi Code always results in the right action - ask the slaves on Tatooine.

Besides, there's no requirement that the super powered people stay with the Order. They can leave anytime they want, and then use their Force Powers however they see fit. In the real world, the no-marriage rule keeps a lot of people from becoming priests - you have to imagine the same would be true for Force Users and the Jedi Order. And the people that chose not to live like monks would stand a better chance of resisting the temptations of the Dark Side if they could remain part of the Jedi Order, rather than being cast out to deal with it on their own.

Even if denying all attachments is easier than learning how cope when those attachments are broken (and I don't think it's at all certain that it is), that doesn't mean that it can't be done the other way.

 

There's a clear difference between how the dark side/Sith operate versus the consensus building Jedi order. The slaves on Tatooine are a red herring. This isn't utopia. The Jedi can only do so much. The fundamental mistake they made in the PT was becoming a tool of the military and thus a tool of the despot who took over the Republic.

Being a Jedi is about sacrifice, selflessness, and love.

 

I can take the bet that in ep IX, there will be one line stating that Rey is the most powerful jedi ever.

Promises will be accomplished.

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It is important to note that love is different from passion.

 

That's not a red herring - it's an on screen example of how following the Jedi Code does not always lead to the morally correct action. You're right, the Jedi cannot to do everything, but Qui-Gon could have freed those slaves had he chosen to.

No argument there.

But that is not dependent on the Jedi Code remaining exactly as it was in the PT. A person does not necessarily need to be separated from their parents as a small child to live a life of sacrifice, selflessness and love.

The Jedi Code was created by people, so it is intrinsically flawed. Why give up trying to improve it? There's no reason to think it didn't evolve over those thousand-years of peace you referenced before.

 

Pablo Hidalgo hasn't commented as much on Star Wars lately, but everyone is beating this Grey Jedi thing to death so he tweeted this

and retweeted this:


It seem the story group feels pretty strongly on this issue. It kind of makes sense. Lucas really spent a lot of time explaining what it was to be a Jedi to that crew during the Clone Wars run.

 

I'd hope they wouldn't need to explain that to anyone working on a Star Wars project.

I don't have an issue with creating a sect of Force Users that are somewhere between the Jedi and Sith, but the idea that they should be able to gain the advantages of both sides with the consequence of neither is just dumb. Not only is there no moral or mythical lesson there (other than do what you want, it will be fine), it's boring from a narrative perspective.