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I think the attack plan in this one is just worst.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Seattlerailway, May 3, 2016.

  1. Boushhdisguise

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    It was do or die, they may have had an escape transport if it failed, don't know, but it seems they had no time and no choice. Not unlike the battle of Yavin 4.
     
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    Oh my god... what do I need to say? if you truly believe that 1. Machines will just do as they are originally commanded even though their master changed the order 2. There was no scene of "Republic's reaction delayed by poltical debate" at Coruscant 3. The enemy advance against the city is more dangerous than battle in the plain 4. "Stay away from the city and still blockade an escape from the city" idea makes sense and etc... now I understand it is not that you did not watch the movie, but it seems you have a totally different logical circuit with me. Since I think that you really believe what you said(especially totally ignorant how a hostage situation works...) I cannot be even sure it is meaningful to talk with you. Please consider that you defeated me, or mock me that I am a coward who is fleeing, or do whatever. I was too shocked to get a more talk with you.
     
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    That was an accident lol..
    When he said he knew a way to do it in a meeting in the Resistance HQ base, I am pretty sure he didn't have an idea how to do it....it was a lie...he himself says so to Han...just before I know...we'll use the Force...
    But I'm biased....I don't like Finn...I like his lines, he is very funny....just don't like him...in TFA that is....he has plenty of room for growth....so I wonder what shall he become :)

    Exactly!

    Nope...not about shields...that was lucky...he was sanitation and that's why he knew about SKB having a trash compactor/garbage schute....so he did help there...saving Phasma....but he did not save Rey...she saved herself ;)
     
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    It was clear as a bell to me.
     
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    Finn knew Captain Phasma would know, and that was a lucky move. They figured it out. It was more elaborate in the novel, but it would have been maybe a bit too dragged out if they had done it the way they did there. She wasn't as willing to let the codes go completely without more brute force from Chewie, it did seem too easy with using Phasma.
     
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    Just thought of another thing about the shields....
    Why can't the Resistance fighters enter SKB like MF did using the fractional refresh rate glitch in the shields...from lightspeed???
    X wings are smaller and certainly more maneuverable than a correlian frighter?????

    Doesn't make sense...
     
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    Movies that make logical sense are called documentaries and nobody collects action figures from them. :p

    The X-wings could have tried that, sure. But having one ship go in that way first to try to get rid of the shields entirely does at least give the X-wings a greater chance to succeed in not only surviving, but surviving long enough to blow up the thermal oscillator.
     
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    Yeah yeah...excuses excuses :p
     
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    Well, actually considering just the Physics aspect of Starkiller base attack the coming out of the hyperspace just a few KMs away from Starkiller surface was more than enough to completely destroy the whole thing.

    Just consider a bullet, if it travels at bullet speed (fastest bullets travel around 3000 Km/h) the bullet will obtain plenty energy to be released to another thing on point of impact (when the bullet stops); the Millennium Falcon was travelling in Hyperspace, so it should be travelling at speeds above light speed (1079 millions km/h) gathering an ridiculouos amount of energy and temperature to be released as soon as the Falcon stoped or steped out from the Hyperspace, it would be like a gigantic cannon shot to starkiller base that would obliterate everything in his path.

    The science weapon in here is amazing, to destroy Starkiller Base the rebels will only need to send a space ship big enough at light speed and stoped it close to the whole thing, no need to lower the shields or fighters, but don't forget that from a Physics point if view the Starkiller base is an impossibility and the Hyperspace travel is just a fairytail (no material or living being can stand the accelation forces and the friction temperature from moving that fast, not even 10% of that speeds, not to mention the orientation and navigation required to such travels).
     
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    Come on now, you know a GFFA uses totally different science than our galaxy's. :p
    --- Double Post Merged, May 6, 2016, Original Post Date: May 6, 2016 ---
    And at the beginning of every crawl are the invisible words, "Once upon a time..." ;)
     
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    I post only to say I like this post and to get one more post closer to my 30 post prerequisite for liking posts

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    Your post too I like
     
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    I was content with the scene, but I do admit that the plans were a little lame. I really did not like how quickly the Resistance leaders "theorized" a bunch of stuff and it just happened to worked! I'm sorry, that's really stretching things, even for Star Wars.
    The way I would have fixed it is if they gave Finn all the dialogue about the week spots and ideas/plans on how to attack it. That way you have a variety of options presented, and they have to pick the best one. Just not magically come up with a perfect plan in two minutes. Also, that gives a little more character development for Finn which wouldn't hurt.

    As far as the line from Poe about "As long as there is light, we have a chance," that makes sense to me. They honestly don't know how long they have, but they know when the sun is dried up, they are done. So get the job done quickly. Which pretty much sums up the whole attack plan.
     
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    I agree this is a movie, so logic is thrown out the window, but a low level grunt is not going to know anything about the technical schematics or weaknesses of the base, anymore then a private has the same information as an admiral regarding security clearance intel.

    Second, if JJ and Kasdan have ever played pool then they would know that you don't always have a direct open path for a shot, same as calculating hyperspace to travel around planets and space debris. How do you fire a direct shot at a target across space with out factoring in other planets, asteroids, and planetary revolutions and rotations, unless you're operating in the same universe as Wanted. ( you know, where the bullet curved?) :rolleyes:

    Third, I don't think that Starkiller base moved out of orbit like the Death Star did since it was a planet. If it did, how did it still have living trees on the surface moving away from it's sun? And, wouldn't the planet only have a small window of time to fire when the planet rotated and the canon portion was facing in the right direction?
     
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    I know this are movies, just fairytails, but the good darn ones keep it real and don't over fantasized, for make believe fantasies watch the kid shows instead (some of them are very good and entertaining).

    Actually even Fotons, the light rays, curve, mass makes any other masses curve, only small nucleous particules like neutrinos don't curve because they have so little mass, they actually pass through bigger masses. Some of the biggest explosions of energy in the Universe are the "Super Gamma Ray Bursts" from collapsing stars and those are high energy rays witch cross the universe killing everything in his path, i believe the range of destruction reaches the 5 000 light years. (there you have your Starkiller)

    Just consider that at least 1/3 of all planets in the Universe are Rogue Planets, Planets wandering around without orbiting a star, but those planets are extreme iced Planets, with very, very low temperatures where everything is completely frozen because they didn't get almost any energy to fuel trees or any kind of life. Rotating a planet in space seems pretty easy, no inertia or drag, a couple of engines and there you go.
     
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    I was just teasing. :) Movies are more enjoyable when you're not frequently thinking, That can't work...

    Star Wars is a strange and wonderful mixture of sci fi and fairy tale/fantasy--sometimes I'm left wondering which genre I'm supposed to be oriented to.
     
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    Agreed. But most of the times movies can get way less enjoyable when you start thinking "That would never work" or even "There's no chance in hell THAT could work".

    I love Star Wars Movies because of the entertainment factor not the scientifical, i'm perfectely OK with physics bending and streching but don't break the must simple laws of physicals because that would simple turn the movies DUMB
     
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    at the end of the day, Star Wars is for kids.

    and actually the "darn good" fairytales that have endured for hundreds of years are typically the least "real".
     
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    I would disagree. Star Wars is for families. But I'm just being stinky. :)

    But I do agree that the best fairy tales of some part of realism. That's why I think the OT will always outlive the PT no matter how peoples views will change.
     
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    stinky, but right!

    i think that's the point: stories should be grounded enough for us to relate, but fantastic enough for us to dream.
    bog down on either side and you potentially get a mess.

    if you're invested in the characters and their objectives, the scenery and the specifics (and even a lot of logic) can easily and happily go out of the window.
     
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    Actually sw Is a soap opera that families can watch ... Certainly explains why the dialogue is iffy .
     
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