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If you could change just ONE thing...

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Darth Chewie, Mar 17, 2016.

  1. Trevor

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    I would've been good with Luke speaking at least one profound line at the end....something better than "Well hello there!". Something....wise. :)
     
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    Starkiller base is no longer a super weapon.
     
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    Kylo Ren on the Millennium Falcon should've been in there, just to add more weight to the 'relationship' to father and son. At least we'll see it in the deleted scenes
     
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    For me it's clear: Chewie and Leia's interaction at the end. I think it's so important that Ryan Johnson should film that scene once and for all, and put it in TFA.
     
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    Yeah, that was a big boo boo on JJ's part. At least he admitted it. I get why he wanted the intimate moment between Rey and Leia, but the way he boxed the scene, having Chewie walk right by her and she doesn't as much as look at him... that was sad. Had Leia at least looked at him with empathy, maybe even touched his arm as he walked by, that would have been so much better. But, what's done is done. We will just all have to say to ourselves that Chewie was too concerned about Finn and didn't even notice Leia standing there. Lol
     
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    @Darth Chewie, @perrymoon:

    all they would have to do is recrop the shot to take Chewie out on the left. then it would look like he'd gone with the medics before Leia walked up.
    i agree it's a shame. a really unfortunate blemish.
     
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    I can say with a clear conscience that I could have done without Finn completely. Why? In my opinion, he's just filler, even though he had a few good moments in TFA. A few strokes of the pen could have had Poe escaping the FO by himself, with no need for Finn at all. In fact you could replace Finn with Poe in nearly every instance with only minor script changes afaic. Poe could have made his way through the desert and found Rey and the story would have been just fine from there on out in my opinion. Poe is already an accomplished military man himself, plus he can fly, a perfect new partner for Chewie, who yes, I agree got yet another raw deal in a GFFA. If Finn would have been something other than a failed, rookie soldier, then I guess I could have more of an interest in him, but for me, he's just "there". Of course I see the need for a new "trio" of adventurers, makes for better story telling, but I think more work could have been done to make Finn interesting.
     
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    I think that scene could have fit in right after he kills his father and before he confronts Finn & Rey .
     
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    no time ~ he'd have to not only beat them to the Falcon, but have enough leisure to wander around getting nostalgic as he bleeds all over the seats ~ hahaha.

    in the book it happens after Han, Chewie, and Finn take out Captain Phasma, right before Poe leads the bombing run.
    it's the X-wings that cause Ren to return to the base.
     
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    I'm a filmmaker myself, working on projects a zillion times smaller than TFA, and sometimes I do clumsy mistakes that I can only justify due to time, pressure and fatigue. JJ has it's right to f*ck up with that, and I really like he spoke about it. TFA is, among all, an incredible movie done in very difficult circumstances and expectations (from that point of view, the film couldn't have turned out better).
    That said, as a collaborative saga (and with fans used to countless revisions), I think it would be great that this is fixed somehow. @Darth Chewie that's a great idea! it's easy to do and completely changes the scene. Another way would be filming Chewie looking at Leia when passing, and just being upset to her as "she sent his bestfriend to death". That second option, of course, has a direct impact on Ryan Johnson's work, so I can't ensure is a good idea.

    Probably what Ryan will do is to have its own Leia-Chewie moment that will relief TFA (specially knowing post TFApremiere re-writes were done).
     
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    Well I think some fault has to go to the writers and how the films final version was edited. That being said, TFA is a movie that moves along at a frantic pace. Every word in the crawl and every scenes dialogue must be paid careful attention to, or you risk getting lost. Which is unusual for a Star Wars movie, as I find all the other installments to be slightly slower paced with more exposition.

    The Crawl states that it is the Resistance that is taking on the FO, with the support of the Republic. Kinda like a parent giving a child permission to engage in a certain activity, without actually getting involved. And we get a slightly clearer picture in Hux's speech, when he states that the "Republic lies to the Galaxy while secretly supporting the Resistance". Most would gather from that that the Republic is likely playing both sides of the fence, as they are probably being diplomatic with the FO to their face(they supposedly have a treaty with the FO), while quietly allowing and perhaps encouraging the Resistance to engage the FO to keep them at bay. While it's not spelled right out, that is the point Hux is trying to get across.

    Now why was much of this glossed over in the films final cut? Who knows. Perhaps it was done so at the request of Rian Johnson as he plans to explain this more in the main plot of his Ep.8. JJ admitted, that while he could not give into all of Rian's requests, he went along with quite a few of Rian's requests in order to better help him set up his own story.

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    Perhaps it was simply how JJ felt the movie would best be presented, not needing to worry about expansive exposition on elements that actually had little to do with the main plot of finding Luke Skywalker, and Rey's awakening.
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    Great post! And I will give Leia some slack here, despite JJ admiting he kinda screwed that one up. Chewie likely knows many of the people at the base, and he just carried Finn off the Falcon and seemed to be going with him as they carted him off. In other words, he's got something else on his mind at the moment, and likely doesn't feel out of place. Rey on the other hand just walks off the Falcon with a look of being completely alone, lost and overwhelmed about everything she has just experienced. She just stands there, not knowing what or where to go. Leia's "mother" instincts likely kicked in, along with the fact that she knows or senses Rey force abilities, she went right for Rey and gave her a long hug that Rey obviously needed (which is what JJ said he was going for). Her eventual moment with Chewie most likely happened, but off screen.
     
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    I would have made it a little more difficult for Han, Chewie and Finn to get inside and move around in starkiller base. I thought it was a little easy to get in and take out the shield. A little too easy also to destroy the planet.
     
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    Re: Snoke being CGI
    Makes even less sense for Maz, i.e. a living, breathing, walking-around character interacting with her environment. I'm sorry ILM, your kung fu is the best, but we're just not there yet.
     
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    For me, the existence of Starkiller Base itself. It is hilarious that about 70% of what I do not like in the movie are related with the base.
     
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    My turn
    The one thing I would change would be for Rey to meet Snoke.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Only one thing..that's hard. I mean, I enjoy TFA but it has some glaring flaws. Ideally I'd answer "story" and then fixed it to be less derivative, with more room for characterization
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    But for one isolated detail, I'd change..

    Dammit it's difficult to pick...

    All right, I'd change the design of Snoke. Completely.
     
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    I agree. I was a little bit disappointed with the conversation between Kylo and Snoke. I was expecting a little bit more exposition that could have provided more context to the current state of the galaxy, both in terms of politics and the Force. They didn't even really explain what the "awakening" was, which surprised me considering the title of the film. At least the novel was able to fill in some of the details.
     
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    frankly i'm torn between wanting to know more and just wanting the fishy-eyeballed freak dead.
    the quicker he dies the less explanation i need ~ hahaha.
     
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