Is Abrams reworking his Star Trek scripts for TFA?

The thought had crossed my mind as well. Maybe we don't see him other than in flashbacks and the big reveal is him showing up as a Force ghost. There would be rioting in the streets!

 

I think I'd rather have Poe be the main, with Finn and Rey as the back ups.

Alan Dean Foster also wrote the novelization for the original Star Wars.

 

JJ tried to turn Star Trek into Star Wars, of course there will be similarities.

 

I think it is entirely plausible... especially if Kylo Ren is claiming to have killed Luke Skywalker as @Snazel postulates. Maybe Luke is Plagueis... and what I mean by that is, of course, that he is not actually Plagueis, but that someone is trying to resurrect Luke.. How would that be for a slap to those in the Darth Plagueis camp?

How about this as a different twist: What if Luke has just figured out how to appear as a Force ghost without having actually died? More of a Force vision (like Yoda did the Force projection of his voice in Rebels), but to the person seeing him (and the audience), you can't tell the difference. Thus, keeping up the impression throughout the galaxy that he is dead. That way no one expects him to actually return in the flesh when he finally does make a triumphant return. It is a progression of what we have seen throughout he entire saga with respect to this other dimension where Force spirits reside, maybe Luke has figured out a way to actually visit that dimension, and appear to the living across the galaxy.

EDIT: I see that @TheFettMan already suggested something similar in the thread about who is going to die:

"Here's a different point of view.... ....

Why not Luke learn or meditate on becoming one with the living force then, wait for it... Never die!
He might reverse DP's bold long term plan then be a Highlander type being. He will transcend his flesh-body then be pure force energy.
I keep advising younger Star Wars fans and new forum members to view the 1982 fantasy classic; The Dark Crystal.
It could play out that Luke overcomes his fears, with the guidance of force ghost Yoda(Frank Oz cameo) then he aides Finn, Rey, Chewbacca.
Han Solo might die but his death will be heroic, .
This concept is solid and even if the ST story arc doesn't follow it, I think it'd be a decent story."

Maybe Luke isn't already dead, but voluntarily became one with the Force so that he could "become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." Technically, that's what Obi-Wan did because he actually disappeared just before Vader's saber struck.

 

He can already do that...he just needs Artoo's help...

 

Maybe it's literal. They've already destroyed one star, and it's really tatoine?

 

Oh snap! Now you're talking. Jakooine thread takeover!


....but I think that would've at the very least left Tatooine uninhabitable...But I still like it.

 

Would it really render Tattooine uninhabitable if one of the two stars, around which it orbits, was destroyed? I'm no astro-physicist, but my guess is that it would have some serious impact. Having said that, we are talking about a universe in which there is sound during an explosion in the vacuum of space. So, I could see it if the production took some licenses with established physics to tell such a story. But take all of this with a serious helping of salt and suspension of disbelief, as I am not married to the idea at all.

So in the GFFA with its shady physics, depending on the proximity to Tattooine's two suns, and those suns to one another, perhaps it wouldn't have a dramatic climatological effect. After all, temperature on a planet has just as much if not more, to do with the atmosphere on the planet as the distance to the star. Granted, there is believed to be a "habitable zone" of distance, but that depends on a lot of different factos. Also, Tattooine's climate is at least partially affected by the binary system, but upon the destruction of one of those stars, what would happen to that matter? Again, if close enough to the twin star, it could perhaps be absorbed by the second sun. So essentially you just get a collapsed binary system, with the same mass and matter comprising the single star. Conservation of energy or something. It will undoubtedly be a larger, denser, or different star than either of the original binary stars, but maybe they can present it in a believable fashion so that Tattooine's climate would not be catastrophically altered. Again, not likely that any of this passes scientific muster (I suspect cosmic radiation and other factors would blow all of this out of the water)...

Nonetheless, I have to admit that as improbable as it may be, given the evidence available, I always thought the Tattooine = Jakku (or even Jakku = Hoth) ideas were interesting... Go Team Jakkooine!

 

Not just sounds in space, but explosions in space!

Even if the destruction of one of the suns didn't completely irradiate the planet, the change in the gravitational environment would drastically affect Tatooine's orbit. I'd say the odds of habitability afterwards would be quite low.

But yeah, that's not really the point, I guess. I suppose most people would buy that the destruction of one of the suns would simply make Tatooine cooler.

I've lost track of this conversation. What are we talking about? Star Trek?

 

But would it? As I mentioned, if the remaining star "absorbed" all of the mass of its companion star that was "killed," the overall mass, and hence the gravitational pull, would remain relatively the same. Allegedly.

But yes, something about Star Trek?

 

Ok, now we're moving well above my pay-grade. I love astronomy and astro-physics, but I'm very amateur. Corrections are welcome.

That said, there'd definitely be a difference. If the star were destroyed in a typical nova-like explosion, the velocities that the out-gassing would reach is well beyond escape velocity (hench an explosion and not an implosion) and a lot would escape the system (eviscerating planets along the way). But even if, for whatever reason, the entire mass of one star was absorbed by the second star, it would still be catastrophic as far as the orbits of any planets would be concerned.

In a double star system (or any multiple system such as this) the center of gravity around which the stars and the planets orbit is called the barycenter. Pluto and Charon are an excellent example of this phenomenon. Once one star was removed from this system, the barycenter will completely change position - in the case of Tatooine, the barycenter would suddenly exist within the center of the remaining star - throwing the orbiting planets into chaos. (Editing to add that the removal of the barycenter would also affect the other star in its journey through the galaxy as well). I don't have the modeling or the math to suggest whether they'd be flung out into space, or perhaps start crossing orbits with each other, but they wouldn't act as if nothing had happened.

The destruction of Vulcan (is that how we got here?) was quite different. Not only was it not a star, but it was the creation of a black hole that spelled the planet's doom. That black hole would continue orbiting the sun in just the same way Vulcan had, and if Vulcan had any moons they would continue to orbit the black hole as if nothing ever happened.

So, if one of Tatooine's suns became a black hole, then that would be feasible. Tatooine would continue orbiting just as it had been, but it's climate would be severely impacted.

Wow. Long and rambly post. Sorry guys and gals!

 

JJ's influences will be in the film. They were in the Star Trek films and he didn't write them.

In this one JJ did "augment" Larry's original script. We can all speculate what those changes were. I happen to believe one of them was to switch the gender of Rey and Poe around, but there are probably other influences as well.

I think there could be multiple endings filmed, because JJ loves the mystery box so much. I could see the Skellig reshoot actually a new ending for VII that nobody really knows about yet, just because it sets everyone on fire speculating about what they change. I think there's some evidence that they are looking for a darker tone to the ending of VII and that's what they are secretly there for.

I think there's still a massive shock coming the fan's way, something they've cleverly left unsaid. Serkis being INVISIBLE and UNAVAILABLE to talk about TFA gives you a clue.

But Star Trek I and TFA has a whole other setup. For one JJ admits he was never a fan of the franchise and he just accepted the script was good from those who loved the franchise but were forced to reboot it and find a reason why there's a young Kirk and young Spock on my screen again.

This is not a universe reboot. This is an extension of a franchise. The tricky part is, it's an extension of a very old film trilogy. The markets are different now, the taste of America is different now, how does one adapt what is so old? Remember the prequels are "history" now as JJ once affirmed on the Howard Stern show before the real hype even began and he was leaving Star Trek behind.

The story sounds awful, but there's still so much we don't know, again Maltese Falcon is literally just about chasing a black statue, it's a classic.

I'm convinced we're going to get some superb craftsmanship in this film. Bobbajo is just the tip of that iceberg.

That's NOT something you saw in Star Trek I. And I think we have something that strikes an entirely different tone with TFA.

 

I certainly don't doubt the science you have provided here, and it is well above my pay grade, too. But very well thought out. Kudos. As I mentioned, the GFFA is not beholden to real astro-physics and it would take a pretty giant leap to make any of this believable, so I doubt it very seriously. But who knows? As I like to say, possible but not probable.

 

You're exactly right. Star Wars has never tried to be scientifically accurate (though apparently Rogue One is?). If they tried something like this, I reckon it'd just have to "feel" right.