SPECULATION Is it possible that Snoke wanted Starkiller Base to get destroyed?

I think Snoke has bigger goals than Starkiller Base. Most of which involve his goals with the Knights of Ren and his main goal of immortality for himself. I see him doing away with the First Order as soon as it seems to best suit him and he believes he has achieved his personal goal.

 

i agree with @Joe12Hawk ~ Starkiller was Hux's folly. Snoke can probably build and destroy at will. it's a trifle comparatively speaking.

and just as an observation, it wasn't really the oscillator that was the problem ~ it was the refresh rates on the shields (no one expected anyone to try to get through the way Han did).

 

Well, when you think about it, the Sith created the Separatist movement as a means to start a war so they could take over the Republic. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that Snoke is doing the same. By empowering the Empire/FO again and attacking the Republic it means that they have to respond in some way - that could compromise them. Maybe Snoke has a puppet waiting in the wings to take over the Republic? Maybe the Republic will want this person to take over - a military type who can lead the Republic to victory. Could be that this person is played by Del Toro. Just a thought. Bit repetitive but worth pondering.

I think Snoke himself as a higher cause (as does Kylo) that links into the balance of the Force. I think Snoke is more preoccupied with ensuring the Jedi (and maybe even the Sith) never return. It could be that Snoke believes only he has the power and knowledge to permanently keep the Force unbalanced (in the darkness) and thus empower himself/keep himself alive...

 

Same thing. Destroying planets = evil = unbalancing the Force.
The more death and conflict the better for those on the Dark Side.

 

I'm gonna say no to that one. That's too out there.

 

Perhaps Snoke just thrives off of conflict and chaos. He doesn't care about the destruction of StarKiller base because he knows that he still has First Order fleets to continue the conflict.

This could also provide a reason as to why Snoke decided to take control of the First Order. Snoke has lived to see the rise and fall of the empire. Perhaps Snoke was behind the scenes not involving himself with anything because he didn't have to. He thrived off of the conflict between the Separatists and the Republic. He thrived off of the conflict between the Empire and the Rebellion.

However, now that the empire is gone, there is no huge conflict for Snoke to relish over. So now he has to get involved thus creating the First Order. And thus using the Starkiller weapon to kick start the conflict between the Resistance and the First Order.

 

I agree.
It's pretty set in stone that Snoke is a Dark Sider. And he is vulnerable/injured.
For me this is behind why he seemed content to let the Sith rule.
Snoke lives off the Dark Side. He is weak himself and not capable of being a physical match against the Jedi that have been and gone, the Sith that ruled and now Luke. Whist the Sith ruled, they ensured the Dark Side was strong. This was what Snoke wanted. But when they fell and balance was restored, Snoke HAD to act.
He isn't in this for galactic rule - if he was we would've seen him before. He's in this for the conflict - to unbalance the Force.
The FO is a means to an end in that respect.

 

I don't know. Snoke seems to have an obsession with the balance of the force. In the Visual Dictionary it says he sees Kylo as a "perfect embodiment of the force, a focal point of both light and darkside ability." This sounds to me like Snoke admires that balance.

 

it's a weird contradiction isn't it? Snoke likes Ren for his Dark/Light mix, but Ren is anything but balanced.

i think Snoke likes the conflict more than the balance. and who better to put off that vibe than someone at total war with his own nature?

 

You'd be surprised. That's exactly what Darth Nihilus did in Knights of the Old Republic II.

 

That makes sense. Was Dark Empire the first EU story to introduce, or at least make concrete use of, the idea of transcendental dark side force use? I know the Netherworld of the Force for Jedi has been a concept since the OT. For dark side users re-incarnating or binding the souls/spirits to armor, once they finally die, their spirit is trapped in the chaos of primordial dark side energy; basically Hell.

 

Do you think that concept will be brought into the new canon? I feel it's a similar Sith Alchemy that inadvertently caused Anakin's birth (in Legends). But given that Darth Plagueis was mentioned in RotS (canon), will they verify it or maybe just leave the thread hanging? I can see the idea being a little less palatable for a mainstream movie going audience, but maybe a comic or novel will address it.

 

That settles that.

"Captivated by the physical realm, the Sith are."
"What else is there?"

 

It's tough to predict anything about Snoke because we know so little about him. We also need to be careful comparing him to what we know about the Sith because the one thing we do know is that Snoke is not a Sith. He is a dark side user for sure but we don't know what type and what new rules there may be with the type of Darksider he is.