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SPECULATION Is Luke trapped on Ahch-To and calling to Rey?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by techsteveo, Jan 15, 2016.

  1. techsteveo

    techsteveo Force Sensitive

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    There is nothing that indicates to me Kylo knows Rey. He may have a hunch she's related to Luke and later he might have it confirmed in his mind when the Skywalker saber would only go to her and not him.

    On another note, I think the theories of Kylo dropping off Rey on Jakku are hilarious. Literally nothing points to that. Is it possible? Maybe, but it's not hinted at in any way during the films.
     
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    Glad my speculation is so funny to you.
     
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    I meant no offense. Speculation is speculation. There are no right or wrong answers. Some folks get so passionate about a theory and then cannot point to any evidence of that theory in the films.
     
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    It is pretty funny though, you're right. I'm not offended. Reading what I typed again it does sound kinda pissy. Sorry for that.

    I was playing off a hunch, and it certainly doesn't have any evidence to back it up. I tend to do a lot of "what if'n'" when I think about Star Wars and it gets typed pretty much as I think of it.

    Not to derail, but what's the consensus on who dropped Rey on Jakku?
     
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    Luke had his XWing in the garage.
     
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    Honestly, my personal theory is that Rey has never left Jakku because she says so. 1. She's never seen "green" in the Galaxy and 2. She says to Finn she's never left the planet. She's piloted in atmosphere, but never left the system is how's it's put in the books.

    This could all be false, but then why go through so much trouble telling the audience that she never left and make a big deal about her seeing the green planet? If this is true, then she was most likely born on Jakku or brought there as a baby, not a 5-8 year old in the flashback.

    So, why she was left is the mystery. Sure, Kylo could have wiped her mind and hid his cousin from everyone. But then why would she be emotional about him leaving her? He would have been a teenager. Plus that means she would have had to be taken from her real family, mind wiped, and left on Jakku. Why? Then Kylo went back and attacked Luke's Jedi? I doubt they would go down this road. Too much to explain.
     
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    Maybe Vice President Chewbacca put him in a pod and sent him there like he did for Yoda.
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    Good points. I am betting her memories aren't as clear as she thinks; at 4 years old she may only have vague general recollections of how things went down.

    But she must have had some early training (a la what we see in AOTC with Yoda training a bunch of kids about the age she was in that short clip) in order to know her way around a lightsaber.

    I also don't think it was Kylo himself on that ship flying away from her. I don't think he had the guts to do all the dirty work at age 15, rather he was manipulating others to do most of it for him, like the other Knights of Ren.

    I'm probably wrong about all this anyways, though.
     
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    Was it a detached garage ?
     
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    My thought is that when Ren says in the novelization "it is you" that he was referring to the awakening in the force and realizing it was Rey awakening rather than indicating that he actually knew Rey personally.
     
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    Yup. I agree. I think it wasn't in the movie because it would add further confusion. People forget that Kylo and Snoke spoke about the awakening they felt. The awakening in Rey.
     
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    Kylo flips out that a girl helped Finn escape with the droid. Why does that detail make Ren have the tantrum.

    The conversation about the Awakening they felt was prior to Rey doing anything other than piloting the Falcon. Which I guess it could be but that makes the conversation she has with Finn just as much evidence of Finn being Force Sensitive as it does Rey.

    Later he is faced with the fact that she has the Force when she blocks his mind intrusion.

    I could be mis-remembering he says "it is you." when she pulls the sabre to her. A line that would make much more sense in the interrogation if it was connected to the Awakening. But in the duel he is not just facing someone who is growing in the force but recognizes her.
     
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    Pablo pretty much said the same thing. Although I think there are enough other clues to infer that kylo knew rey.
     
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    Kylo flips out before he hears about "the girl". He says "anything else" then he's told about the girl.

    I think his interest in her is because the force is so strong with her. He meets her on Takodana and says "this is the girl I've heard so much about". He didn't recognize her. Later he got in her head, he didn't recognize her. I don't think he ever recognized her. He simply figured out the awakening was her. During the duel, he may have a hunch she's someone related to Luke when the Skywalker saber went to her and he couldn't grip it. But again, that's just a hunch. I don't think he definitively knows her identity. Just like we don't.
     
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    I believe thers a chance that kylo could know who rey Is

    This is my idea, in Rey´s vision after seeing the bespins corridor, she saw a guy who i think its a knight of ren trying to kill her, in that moment a young and confused Kylo who had a special feelings for his baby cousin kill this guy with his light saiber, then in fear to snoke´s anger he eraised his cousin kid memory and drop her in Jakku, at the same time insert in her memory the idea that her family some day where going back to get her home, after this and believing Rey was dead, luke kills in anger the rest of the knights of Ren and decide to go on exile for guidance before to confront Kylo and falling to the darkside by killing his own sister son.
     
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    I THINK that Kylo doesn't recognize Rey until he feels her force signature and she recognizes him and feels HIS Fs .
     
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