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SPECULATION Jedi Temple, Sith Shrines and Force Ghosts

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Darth Zloi, Jan 6, 2015.

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    Given the fact that "everything is connected" via the new all-encompassing canon under Disney's direction of our beloved saga ... I was wondering what role Jedi Temples, Sith Shrines and Force Ghosts will play in TFA.

    Many of the rumors and speculations about Ep. 7 have revolved around and interest in Jedi/Sith artifacts/mythology.

    The latest episode of Rebels took place in a Jedi Temple, with a Star Map bringing about the revelation.

    The new canon novel Tarkin makes special mention of the Jedi Temple on Coruscant being built over a Sith Shrine, saturated in dark side energy.

    Also, Yoda's power to communicate from afar and quest for knowledge leading to becoming a Force Ghost have taken center stage in TCW and Rebels recently.

    Could these references be leading us somewhere, given what we think we may know about plot points for TFA? I'm curious to hear your thoughts/discuss any ideas on this ...

    Here's a link to an intriguing article on the Sith Shrine topic by the always insightful P-Thug @Hermann22...



    And here's Filoni for some reason, skirting around a question about Force Ghosts, specifically about how Anakin became one ...

     
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    Over the course of a trilogy following the OT....I'd say all are likely
     
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    totally support this idea. I was thinking about luke and the new characters doing some jorney to reveal some misteries about the force, the jedi, the sith, the galaxy fate or whatever.
     
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    Good topic. I'm hoping we do indeed see some of these lost temples. It would actually lend credence to the forces of ill will being present throughout the PT and OT, at least in the form of Dark Side temples.

    As creepy as they make the Light Side places look in TCW (the place they get the Kyber crystals) and Rebels (the one you mentioned) as well as the Dark Side temples (Moraband), despite the shows being geared towards kids and the material somewhat glossed over... I am exceedingly curious to see what they could do with a Sith or Dark Side temple in film.

    I just hope that if "mind tricks" and illusions would be involved that they would be better done. Or something with ancient protectors, akin to draugr in The Elder Scrolls: Skyrim. That's a bit of a stretch for Star Wars though.
     
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    Thanks, I really hope so too. As the MSW article speculates, perhaps the cave on Dagobah was some kind of Sith shrine. Also, maybe this "castle" concept art for 7 on Skellig Michael is also one. The Graverobber concept art also increasingly makes me think that it's a different character than Kylo Ren. Perhaps this is a vision Luke sees at a Sith shrine.

    BTW, love your avatar. What a travesty that Farscape got cancelled, one of my all-time favs. At least we got The PK Wars
     
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    Yes, the concept art that looks very castle-like is very interesting. I'm hoping it's something to do with a 'historical' significance.

    And I got you 100% on Farscape. I love the Peacekeeper Wars, but can't help but imagine what that fifth season would have been like, especially since they'd just switched to widescreen format for the fourth. Also, I don't think I'll ever have a blu-ray copy of it to go alongside my "complete series" blu-ray set. :(
     
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    Was actually about to start a topic on this article and then I saw this thread :)


    Based on the photos of Skellig Michael, Luke has to have went somewhere significant. I feel like there could be a Jedi Temple on that island of significance.


    This next part is just what I've thought about in my mind. Not sure how it will look in the movie. But Imagine a cloudy planet completely surround by water and the only island on the entire planet contains the Jedi Temple. The sith don't know the temple is there because they think the planet is completely surrounded by water. It could even be considered a "safe-zone" where Luke is able to train Jedi in secrecy - similar to Dagobah.
    The concept art seems like it won't exactly happen like this though.
    http://www.nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Skellig-Mic.jpeg


    Also don't forget this piece of concept art which looks like it could be a sith temple (maybe a shrine?)
    http://www.nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Throne-Room.jpeg



    It seems like the two pieces are from the same place. But perhaps they are two different places. one for sith and one for jedi.
     
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    I really hate the "web filter" they use at my work. I can't view the picture because it's blocked as being "Adult and Sexually Explicit."

    For that matter, I've had basic news websites (CNN, MSNBC, etc.) be blocked because they were classified as "Entertainment". Terrible.
     
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    Is it some kind of explicitly "nerdy" filter))
     
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    Very very good speculation.
     
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    It would be awesome for the Jedi Holocron (in some form) to make an appearance too.
     
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    Agreed. It would be a great way to get a bit "flash-backy" without breaking any conventional unwritten Star Wars rules. I actually don't mind flashbacks if done well. The one thing that I think would really buck Star Wars trends would be time travel or alternate timelines (yes Star Trek reimagining, I'm talking about you)
     
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    Yes. No flashbacks or time travel in SW please.

    Definitely using those stone huts though on Skellig.

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    Skellig-04.jpg
     
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    What if like in the recent Old Republic expansion, if you gain the ability to live beyond death through the Force you also would create a negative ghost as well if you have not conquered your darkside? What if Anakin's evil essence is still around? I highly doubt this possibility but maybe. Also I doubt the Emporer attained spiritual oneness with the force to live after death. We know at least one sith lord did figure it out though right? A shrine could indeed make this possible for sith to exist inside this shrine.
     
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    An interesting idea! Per GL, Sith can't become force ghosts, but that's not to say their "essence" couldn't be trapped on this plane of existence. Maybe it could be stuck in a place full of dark side energy (like Exar Kun from the old EU)
     
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    I wonder if Yavin 4 wI'll be used during Episode 7? If they place a shrine there it will be to much like the EU but if there was an old Jedi temple there that would be pretty cool. Also do we ever get a moment during the OT where we see the awesome power of the Darkside? I mean it's great the Emporer can hurl bolts of lightning around and Vader can throw stuff around with the force but what about massive destruction and stuff? Also if the Darkside is stronger why did Anakin lose? Sorry these are off topic.
     
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    I don't see Yavin IV being used in the movie as a shrine like in "Jedi Academy". This thread is actually talking about if the jedi have temples across the galaxy. I don't see how Luke, being one of the remaining jedi in the galaxy, could have built a new temple there. I also don't think that Yavin IV is now home to a major Rebellion/New Republic city because it seems unlikely that the city would develop so quickly within 30 years (Although it is difficult to say because we really do not see much of the moon in Episode IV). The most logical choice is that the original rebel base has been renovated and is a stronghold military colony for the Rebellion/New Republic.

    We've always been limited to knowing the "true power" of the dark side (as well as the light). But perhaps the mystery is what makes it so great. The closest thing to this is the speculation that Plagueis is immortal. I think that the Sequels should show us more of both sides of the force, but never the "true power"

    The dark side is not stronger than the light. The force is the force. The real issue is some people are stronger than others. That is why Anakin lost. It's not about which side is stronger. It's about who is more in-tune with the force around them that is more powerful.
     
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    I think because Anakin was no longer the strongest force-user after essentially becoming a cyborg. The prophecy was that he would bring balance to the force. He did that not by being the most powerful, but by defeating (with Luke's help) the darkness within himself. Palpatine seemed to completely trust him. The fact that it seems Anakin brought about the demise of the Sith only temporarily is a whole other talking point. The prophecy didn't make mention of just how long this so-called "balance" would last. I'm particularly curious to see how the ST deals with this.
     
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    What if vader learns the force ghost power in some Jedi Temple / Sith Shrine but it's only able to use because he reedemed himsefl? Just a speculation: Luke discorvers the location of that place in a saved route in the Vader's Tie Fighter Computer. Would be a great plot?
     
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    Yes! And the fact that he is mostly machine, limits his attunement. I don't think the dark side is more powerful, just easier to wield "obvious, visible" power.
     
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