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SPECULATION Leia drops Rey on Jakku?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Jedihopper, Aug 23, 2016.

  1. Jedihopper

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    Ok, I have an idea that I haven't heard mentioned yet, but I trust you all to flesh it out...or destroy it if necessary.

    Perhaps Leia hid Rey herself...and nobody else knew about it.

    The questions that need answering for this theory to have any real merit:

    • What is the age difference between Kylo and Rey? (my understanding is he is approx 30 and she is approx 18)
    • When did Kylo start to exhibit darkside traits? (my understanding from novels and Kathy Kennedy statements is that this started when he was younger, possibly pre-teen and certainly as a teen)
    • When did Han and Leia separate?
    • Was Han involved with the family? There was talk at one point of him becoming a champion racer after retiring as a general...did this ever become cannon?

    It's not a very complicated theory, just that if there was a serious concern about Kylo doing darkside things or being tempted, even as a boy, then Leia might have some concerns about another Force-sensitive child.

    If from the ages of say, 10-15 there were darker and darker things happening - resulting in Leia being the one to send Kylo to Luke for training, per her TFA dialogue, then it is conceivable that out of fear and concern she hid her 2nd child...especially if her and Han were already estranged, he was gone often out racing, they were already at odds over Kylo's behavior...I could see her deciding to keep the 2nd child a secret, until they found out what happened with Kylo and to keep the baby safe...

    "To protect you both, you were hidden from your father when you were born. That is the reason your sister remains safely, anonymous." - Obi-Wan Kenobi, ROTJ

    Thus, she is sent with a guardian and Lor San Tekka, an old ally.

    But in some confusion or tragic turn of event, the guardian has to leave Rey on Jakku...perhaps being tracked by the Knights of Ren (remember - Snoke is already seducing Kylo somehow at this point) and is killed after having to leave the planet for a short time. Leia assumes her gone, and says nothing, to keep Han from any further pain.

    Thus, Lor San Tekka goes to the planet looking for the guardian but is told they were destroyed and devotes himself to Luke and the Church of the Force. That would be the last hope.

    (remember, he knows a lot about the family, about what happened to Kylo, and is the one who for some unknown reason has this map to Luke....either left by Luke or found by him...begging separate questions of who made it, and for what reason...)

    It also gives us a good reason for why Leia approaches Rey slowly and hugs her at the end of TFA.

    And why she sends her off to get Luke.

    Rebuttals

    Rey and Leia would've spoken after they met and she would be overjoyed at the return of the daughter...not sad until R2 comes in with the map.

    Also, another child is not mentioned in Bloodline. I know this would be a big sticking point...

    unless you consider all of the negative aspects of Blooline with the Vader heritage...and that there was worry Kylo could turn out like him.

    Conclusion

    I mostly just wanted some discussion here...feel free to flip parts of this around.

    But it was a thought that would explain a lot of things, without making Luke, Han, or Leia a "bad parent"...although both JJ Abrams and Adam Driver have said on the TFA blu-ray that the Solos were bad parents...so that's kind of a bust.

    However, with this theory - Luke did not abandon her, Han isn't bad for not looking for her, and Leia is the worst but only because she initially hid the fact that she had a 2nd child. (which would be laughable...if not for the entirety of Revenge of the Sith being that only 3 people knew an active senator was pregnant the entire time)

    And even then, she was told the child and guardian had died, so she kept it silent and hid the pain from the others.

    Feel free to include book quotes, filmmaker quotes, parts of TFA or previous films and support or debunk this one!
     
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    To Unkar Plutt ? Good mom.

    And she didn't ask Lor San Tekka to search for her but she sent Poe to find a map ?

    She wasn't that hard to find in she was sent to Jakku.

    Leia is a general of the rebellion, she lives in a headquarter with many many guards. Proof is that Kylo Ren didn't even know she was on DQuarr. She could have protect her on many other meanings. She's the boss, she's not any given citizen. Knowing she was raised as a princess, it's not a really good behaviour for a mom especially not trying to fix her mistake. It was a deliberate choice from her to prefer her son.

    In TFA, when Finn told her about the girl, she doesn't really seem to give a blast about this and if there hasn't been the shield to desactivate, she would have blown up Starkiller without any remorse.

    The Skywalker are really evil persons.

    And I'm not going to quote JJ saying that Rey and Leia had NEVER met.
     
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    Well, with the first part - she didn't send her to Unkar. She was sent with Lor San Tekka and another guardian, who had to stash her there real quick...but the guardian is killed.

    With Finn, Poe, and everything else, she thinks she's dead. Lor San Tekka went to Jakku to find the guardian, but Unkar told LST they were dead. He wouldn't have known...Unkar could've even lied to keep her there scavenging parts that he sells... sort of like Watto but not actual slave-owner.

    So no, she doesn't know it's her daughter on Starkiller - just Finns friend.

    But you make a good point overall - sending the child away would be extreme.

    (the counter-point, would be that she tried all the royal ways, the republic ways, and it wasn't stopping her son from turning....so maybe hiding her with non Force sensitives was her last ditch effort?)
     
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    A mother ( a real one ) won't quit without a dead body and a funeral.

    And if she thinks she's dead and Rey doesn't remember her, how will they find out they're related ?
     
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    Really?

    Because Padme Amidala Skywalker died of a broken heart right there on the operating table with both her children in front of her, who she'd just named Luke and Leia.

    That's pretty much the definition of quitting!

    I don't know the answer to the 2nd part - they would have to find out in the next movies. Somebody - Luke/Yoda ghost/Ben ghost/Maz/Snoke would know or find out that the daughter didn't die with the guardian. In ROTJ, it was awakened in Luke and then later in Vader...but they didn't know it before and Leia was right in their faces!

    Lots of possibilities.
     
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    I don't think Leia dropped Rey off because of the following.

    It's an interesting coincidence that Unkar Plutt was the last one known to have custody of Rey on Jakku, and also the last one to have possession of the Falcon on Jakku (before Rey and Finn took off with it). It's another interesting coincidence that when Han found the Falcon, he also found Rey. IMO, these coincidences were not just random things put in the plot by JJ and LK. Instead, they hinted at a parallel between what had happened to the Falcon and what had happened to Rey. I think that just like the Falcon, Rey had been stolen from Han and Leia, passed through various hands, and then ended up on Jakku.
     
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    Rey's parentage is truly driving everyone mad.

    But if Vader was with, talked to Leia then tortured her not sensing she was his own daughter...then anything is possible.

    I don't know the timeline of what all went down from when Ben was sent to be with Luke but it is possible that Rey taken, stolen, or Leia after they split up found out she was pregnant and sent her away. Who knows but she is not a nobody I don't care what anyone says.
     
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    There's a big difference, Leia isn't dead and she's wealthy and has a ton of means to search for her daughter. In the novels, she's worried about politics not especially to find a lost daughter whom she never burried.

    I meant quit searching not quitting on life. This is the definition of terrible parenting.

    But why not ... I'm not sure this would be profoundly satisfying and good writing.

    There might be a reason but they better find something more acceptable. There might be a lot of possibilities but none of the one I've read seems worthy to professionnal writers.

    I'd rather see her kidnapped because of Han's bad relations and inclination for swindle.

    Maybe she was in the falcon when Ducain stole it :D

    Like those parents who forget their child in a gas station when they go in holidays :D ( just kidding ).
     
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    I'm not opposed to the idea, not at all! And somewhat like it more than Rey being Luke's daughter, although that is the much easier story to tell. That in itself makes me wonder if the parallels to Luke are just there as a red herring, to throw us off the real clues.

    I agree that if she is the daughter of Han & Leia there are plenty of plot holes to fill, but don't think it's impossible. And if done right, it could be very intriguing and fulfilling. I remember reading that someone in the know said the answer to who Rey's parents are would be "profoundly satisfying." So far with everything we know about her, I feel like the most satisfying answer is she is the daughter of Han & Leia. And granted, we don't really know all that much right now.

    That's my two cents. If she ends up not being a Solo or Skywalker, I believe that they at least have an idea of who she is, having crossed paths/ been involved with either her or her family, or both.
     
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    Han and Leia didn't properly separate until sometime between Bloodline and TFA, so that's less than six years before TFA.
     
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    I had thought of this very theory before and fits mythologically but when it came to Leia hiding her pregnancy and Rey's birth from Han and the rest of the galaxy, I realized it was very unlikely.
     
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    If I was 13 and parents hid my four year of sister away because they were scared of me I'd probably turn to the dark side. Clearly whatever worldview they have I don't want to have anything to do with.
     
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    I'm thinking it was Luke (her father) who dropped her off after the Knights of Ren killed off Rey's mother. He figured that if Kylo was looking for him he wouldn't look for Rey. Why Jakku? Because he was familiar with desert planets since he grew up on one but didn't want her to be on Tatooine because that would be too obvious of a hiding place.
     
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    That's a great post! She does somewhat mirror the Falcon...

    But then I have trouble - if she was stolen why is she not mentioned? Or even, presumed dead, why was she not mentioned? (by Han and Leia)

    You're right, the parallels fit very nicely...

    It would be quite the crazy coincidence for her to happen to be left on the planet, in possession of the same man who has the Falcon on the same planet.

    (and also - where the map for Luke Skywalker just happens to be also)
     
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    According to the Toy Story Chicken Man a.k.a. Pablo Hidalgo, Kylo was 29-30 during TFA and Rey 19. If TFA happens 30 years after Endor, he was likely born a year after Endor, so I'm sticking with 29.

    My theory is that he had sort of normal childhood - from Bloodline references - and started getting Force moody in his early teens.

    6 years before TFA they were still together. I mean, apart since he was with the races and she on the Senate and then the Resistance, but so far we don't know when the Jedi massacre happened.

    Months after Endor he resigned his general commission, then went ahead with his shipping company and had his racing team.

    I don't put so much weight anymore on what they say. I mean, it's not like if something happens differently in the movies contrary to what they said they are going against continuity or whatnot. Especially after that backpedaling he did with Rey's parents.

    And aside of it, there is a ton of ways what they said could be interpreted "from a certain point of view". I am going to mention Game of Thrones here just to make a parallel point, but same happened with the "Is Jon Snow dead" situation where everyone swear Jon Snow was deader than dead and "oh, guess what? He did die, but he was revived."

    Later, Adam Driver might say "well, yeah he felt abandoned but, it wasn't like that at all. His parents did care for him but it was Snoke messing up with his head."

    Great post. Agree with it.

    And after all these months of speculating, I just realised I do not care, I just hope whichever is her origin it is truly satisfying. Obviously, not everyone will be pleased about it. But hey, sometimes you cannot make everyone happy.

    True.
     
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    or that it happened at all.

    just a reminder to everyone that when Abrams and Driver talk about Ren Ben's headstate, they are talking about his headstate, not objective factual information. when Driver says the kid has the weight of the world on him because of who he is, that's how Ren Ben perceives himself (same as with the abandonment thing).

    Leia obviously thought she was doing what was best for him; he took it perhaps as being dumped off and unloved.
    clearly Leia loves her son. but expecting the kid to have any sort of rational perspective given the horrorshow of a position he's currently in is asking too much.

    +1

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    That would be an interesting twist. :eek:

    Agree. That is why *don't mean to spoil anything here* I thought Ben Solo was somewhat similar to Albus Severus Potter. Being the offspring of two famous characters might be daunting.
     
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    It's interesting in all the stories they are both drawn to young people in various ways. In Bloodline, for instance, Leia points this out a few times, and she seems to not be close to anyone really, intimately, save for her gffa type skype chats with Han, even those young people around her. Casterfo kind of becomes a friend, but still it's not close. Such a loner. She points that out about Han with mentoring Greer, and seeing that with Luke and all that, and then says something along the lines referring to Ben, but it not being possible. It's kind of sad. I am sure that Kylo Ren did feel by the point of TFA especially with everything that happened with Snoke, and whatever caused him to be sent to Luke by probably Leia, as she said it in the movie. I know a lot of people who I loved their parents, but they will say something like they never did this or that and they are resentful, like they couldn't have done enough. It's a matter of perception. Pablo said something in a tweet about how the stories often direct you away from what you know, and do you believe the character you have always trusted, or this new character, and used the example of the comic book with Sana Starros claiming to be Han Solo's wife, and who to believe, but he was referring to this thing with Kylo Ren and feeling abandoned by his parents. Will have to find that tweet. I in no way think Leia put Rey on Jakku. Rey says she believes how ever she got there it was a mistake. I first thought after the movie that Kylo Ren did it, even at being a young age, but then later on, realized that was impossible, because at 15 that disaster with Luke's temple, whatever it was, probably did not happen then. Where's that timeline when you need it? There is so much that isn't part of the movie that clears up some of that kind of conjecturing, that it's hard for everyone to keep up.
    --- Double Post Merged, Aug 23, 2016, Original Post Date: Aug 23, 2016 ---
    Here is that timeline thread. https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....ne-of-events-not-final-from-rotj-to-tfa.8331/
     
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    There was that deleted scene from the Bespin dream that revealed Snoke had been manipulating Ben Solo his whole life.
    Except one tries to help people, the other has some alone time with a hemet :D, and kills children :p.
     
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    I absolutely love this theory. I'm a strong believer in Han and Leia being Rey's parents and have often speculated that Leia hid Rey from Han. Until I hear it for myself nothing will stop me believing that she is a Solo.

    Congratulations on a brilliant post
     
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