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List of retcons done in ROS

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Shadowblade, Dec 20, 2019.

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    ^ Not sure what you're trying to say, but the definition of the term "retcon" is not a nebulous thing that is open to interpretation.
     
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    It is something that hobbles the movie, the ST, and the franchise. Anyone who argued killing off Snoke was a great subversion...

    ...this is what we get as a collective result. I said it was a mistake then, and I feel vindicated now, but it comes at a very high a cost. I enjoyed parts of TRoS but if I'm being objective, Palpatine's return just doesn't work. (IMO, I know others will disagree)


    It looks like, there's going to be a "food fight" about what actually represents a retcon. I have no interest in that definition dog fight. But I will say some of the things that stood out to me was:

    1. Palpatine was dead / Palpatine was not dead
    2. Snoke was a being that was supposed to have been around and seen the rise and fall of the Empire / Snoke was a creation of Palpatine's all along
    3. Leia was just a FS princess / now she was trained as a Jedi with a LS and everything (the fanboys are going to be apoplectic LOL)
    4. The LS was thrown away in TLJ / Luke says the weapon of a Jedi should be treated with more respect
    5. Finn was special because he refused to participate in a massacre / a whole platoon or battalion of ST refused to participate in a massacre (so it wasn't really that special)
    6. The Knights of Ren appear to be bad a$$ / the Knights of Ren are less formidable than the PG
    7. Finn is a the First Order Wikipedia / Finn doesn't know ST can fly and doesn't know his way around Ren's destroyer
    8. Hux the true believer / Hux the traitor
    9. Rey doesn't come from a known lineage / Rey comes from a known lineage

    Not exactly retcons one and all, but definite pivots at least
     
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    I really wish people would realize how much damage they do to their own credibility when they throw around the notion of JJ Abrams coming into this film and being frustrated or upset by anything that Rian Johnson did with The Last Jedi and actively deciding to "undo" or ignore it, because such an idea is completely divorced from reality.
     
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    Palpatine dead/Palpatine was not dead would actually be retconning ROTJ in that case. Not retconning TLJ. Though it isn't in any case retconning.

    Also Snoke seeing the rise and fall of the Empire just validates it being Palpatine because he actually did.
     
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    Palpatine surviving is very much a retcon because of what that term truly means and where it comes from.

    Whether or not it's a retcon that works is ultimately a matter of opinion, but that's neither here nor there.
     
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    Palpatine coming back is a huge retcon, lol.

    It's the retcon of all retcons.
     
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    Star Wars is not the first - or last - franchise to introduce the kind of massive retcon that Palpatine surviving constitutes, but, again, whether or not it works is subjective.
     
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    So in every film that was ever made, every story ever told, where a character was thought to have died but actually didn't... that's actually a retcon huh? Wow. Retcons happen more often than I thought.
     
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    What can I say? I guess I'm not a retcon expert as you are. My opinion is retconnless

    Besides it's so weird before people wanted Palps to cheat death then he does and now it's called"Retcon"

    His coming back actually was set-up in ROTS
     
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    If you were there in 99, the entire structure of the Jedi, and who Anakin was, felt a 'retcon'. Eventually, it's accepted.

    Also....lol...Maul.
    And....whoever Syfo-Dyas was understood and/or meant to be.

    Not much was retconned if at all.
     
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    *Raises eyebrow*
    I don't think I made the case that Palpatine's resurrection retconned TLJ.

    Also:
    https://vocal.media/futurism/star-w...hat-snoke-is-a-being-from-the-unknown-regions
     
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    Kylo's helmet/mask is a pretty obvious one.
     
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    The term "retcon" is a portmanteau of the term "retroactive" and the term "continuity" and refers to any thing in a story that reframes, recontextualizes, or rewrites previously established story or visual continuity, and the use of the retcon as a story or narrative device is prevalent throughout fiction and throughout the rest of the SW franchise.
     
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    It wasn't even necessary. To me it's just to sell toys and make for a cool poster.
     
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    If that's the reason it's very odd because it didn't really seem like Disney cared much about doing that. I mean heck, the only time Rey switches up her style at all is during the second half of TLJ. Had this been Lucas, Rey probably would've had 12 different looks throughout this trilogy.
     
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    None of those strike me as Retcons nothing negates the last film only alters how you look at it. And its not the Old Luke back just an enlightened Luke after becoming one with Force and Yoda schooling him. I think its more so JJ packed things into this film he thought should have been in TLJ (Rey training with Leia) Main 3 characters interacting etc.
     
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    I know you want to put us in a box and retcon us for not being retconconformers, but nothing I seen was of the kind. Keep preaching it though, I know you will.
     
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    Rian loves his Gotcha moments, so JJ turned most of TLJ into one.
     
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    There was a lesson Rey needed to learn in TLJ. She was trying to define herself through other people. Her parents, Luke, and even Kylo. She came to the realization that even though people around us have an effect on our lives, no one else can tell you who you are. That comes from within.

    I’d say that lesson is even MORE important in TRoS. If Rey learned she was a Palpatine earlier, She might not have been ready to still go her own way. It could have broken her.

    Young Luke needed more focus. Finding out Vader was his father hurt, but he handled it. Rey has loads of focus, but identity and self awareness were her issues early on. Everyone handles burdens differently.

    TRoS doesn’t negate Rey needing to learn to stand on her own in TLJ , it enhances it.
     
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    I'm not sure you understand the intent of my posts, because I agree with you that none of the things that the OP listed are actually retcons.

    Palpatine's survival is a retcon by the definition(s) I provided, and I personally think it works and makes sense based on the spoilers I've read and the context I've gleaned from the reviews/comments that have been made here by those who have actually seen the movie already.
     
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