Lucas' Worst Fears Realised...

LUCAS SOLD LUCASFILM. Period.

He talks about it in terms of divorce, which has nothing to do with it. He SOLD it, he echanged it for good money. He wanted to retire, right? Well, it was already in hands of Kathleen Kennedy before the deal, but he SOLD it.

Lucas has the right to whine, as he's the creator of it all, but Disney and LFL has their whole right to take the franchise to another direction after three unpopular films. I can count with one hand the people I know they didn't like the film (and among them, there's George).

 

It's funny how people look at the same thing so differently.

I remember in the prequels long before Yoda said "perhaps misread the prophesy was" that Anakin was destined to restore balance by killing the Jedi and returning the Sith to power... because that seemed obvious to me that was what the prophesy meant. Yoda didn't say "Anakin is not the prophesised one" he said "misread". Obviously It could so easily be translated in two entirely different ways.

In regards to "making stories to explain an 'overpowered' Rey". As soon as Rey turned the tables on Kylo Ren when he was torturing her.... I mouthed the words OUTLOUD to myself "She's remembering"... it was my first thought during my first viewing of that scene, LONG before she showed any "overpoweredness" later and those later scenes fit perfectly with my first thought.

And you said "if she has been on that planet since 5"... False memory implants anyone? I DON'T THINK SHE HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 5.

Anyway... time will tell.

 

The very first thing she says about herself in the movie is partly a 4th wall breaking joke about her identity.
The movie really doesn't shy away from implying her heritage without giving it away.
Add to that the fact that Johnson asked Abrams and Kasdan to go easy on some things so he can properly work them into the narrative of VIII and there
really isn't much to speculate about.

 

I agree that Rey's progression was way too fast. Being good with a staff should not make you good with a lightsaber, it wouldn't even make you good with a sword.

Even if you believe an injured Kylo should lose to an opponent who is completely untrained, it is ridiculous that they shot him as a plot device so him losing in the next scene was believable. These writers went out of their way to build Rey up, and I do think it is a bit excessive.

 

If you think Ren is a "Michael-Jordan-level" dark side user after watching the movie 4 (?) times you obviously didn't pay any attention and forfeit any right to judge it. He's more like a very talented but unpolished high schooler who never had the chance to really practice against other talented basketball players because all other kids in his area are a two feet smaller than he is.

 

I do not think she beat MJ, more like she beat Charles Barkley who had a busted hip and dislocated shoulder. Kylo was nowhere as strong as any other dark force user we have seen to this point. The other thing about that fight is everyone assumes the force is being used heavily by Rey. It was obvious that Rey was just using slashing and stabbing for most of the fight. It was nowhere near as clean a lightsaber fight as we saw in the episodes 1,2 and 3. Basically no one in this universe is very trained in sword fighting. There was some, but very little technique to what she was doing. Also, Kylo, was not very good with a sword either. ObiWan as a padawan could have beaten Kylo easily. Kylo lacked sword fighting technique. So you basically have two neophyte sword fighters going at each other with one being more powerful but severely wounded. For about 30 second of that fight, Rey taps into her force abilities and finishes off an already weakened neophyte Kylo.

The other thing about Rey's force abilities are they just seem to be anticipation at this point and mind tricks. We saw a young Anakin tap into the force in the same way with podracing. Anakin has no idea about the force when podracing, yet he used it without even knowing it.

Rey did no force jumps, pushes, and deflected zero blaster bolts. She did bring the lightsaber to her hand, but Luke did that with virtually no training on Hoth. Nothing she is doing would indicate an advanced force user. I think people are just missing the basic facts of the Star Wars universe if they say she progressed to fast. Seems like people are trying to say because it took Luke three movies to be a Jedi knight, it should be the same for Rey, but there is nothing in canon that should indicate that she is far beyond her current level.

 

Dude he froze people and objects such as an electricity bolt in place.

Are you serious right now?

 

All of the things you say make sense to me, and I thought those very things during my first watching of the film. Although you have to remember that Kylo was grievously wounded during that fight, based on what Chewie's Bowcaster did to other people in the film, its crazy that he is even still standing. As for Rey's force abilities, I think I will wait until the next film to fully judge. If we find out in that film that she actually didn't have any prior training, then I'll have a problem, but I'm willing to wait and see.

Also, @MeAndOthersDidntLikeTFA, notice how master_shaitan is able to voice his dissenting opinions about The Force Awakens without being a troll about it, you might want to learn from him and others on this forum who weren't crazy about everything in TFA. Then again, based on your chosen user name, you probably just came here to troll anyhow

 

I really think we (star wars fans) need to wait until we see the new trilogy before we start to over analyze and nitpick everything. I think we will learn how and why Rey was able to do these things later in the story. I personally think we will find out that Rey has had training but had those memories suppressed. While she wasn't a teen when she was left, she also wasn't a little baby so she has had time for some training.. esp if she is the child of a certain jedi master. But Im just speculating, and I think we do more harm than good to our own views when we start to overthink and throwing out "if"s before we have a chance to get the whole story.

 

Why do we need to wait for further explanations? Luke could deflect laser beams with a visor on 2 minutes after he started the training. And you are surprised that a "super strong with the force" being (Rey) that already has experience with hand to hand weapons (ok, not the same but it's clearly something that helps) can """defeat""" a plury-injured not full trained sith? This should be enough to justify that scene, then it's also possible that she already knew the force or that Kylo didn't want to go ham on Rey.

 

How do you, or we, know that she hasn't been trained?

 

Yeah, but does that make our villain look awesome?

For example, when you were a kid, did you have a lot of respect for men in your neighborhood who got beat up by women?

This is what we're being asked to do with Kylo - fear and respect him, even though obviously he's a total weakling.

 

Jesus, what neighborhood did you live in?

 

I respect what you are saying but I just do not see how exhibiting mastery of certain force skills translates into mastery of sword combat. I would suggest that Rey showed much more ability to engage in that form of combat than Kylo. This was not a test of equals, it was a test a severely injured person and health person. But, both are very neophyte swordsmen. Lightsaber combat evolved from sword combat. We know very little about how the force is used in saber combat other than allowing one to anticipate and perry. Grevious demonstrated a good ability as a swordsman with no force usage. This idea that you must be a master of the force to be a master of a lightsaber is a bit of a fallacy. Noting I saw in TFA would indicate that Rey had some significant usage of the force in the combat. She was far from a master, but was able to use already developed melee skills.

 

Rey developed her ability out of necessity, while kai lo ren was trying to look in too her mind. he essentially Awoke the force in her as she realised she could not only stop him, but look in to his mind.
The mind trick on the stormtrooper was merely an extension of that awakened power. also when kai lo ren was "force calling" lukes light sabre Rey watched him doing this and merely copied what he was doing. last point, Ren was both injured and conflicted and the fight was stopped well before there was a clear winner, though he certainly was injured. in a way, we get the origin of the mask story rolled in to one. why does he where the mask -- because of Rey.

 

Are you an expert in cold weapons? I'm not, so I'll just accept it when TFA's production/stunt department tells me that her staff skills translate well to a lightsaber. Besides, at moments it did look like she was holding the lightsaber like a staff (but again, I'm not an expert).

Have ever you thought that Kylo losing was not about Rey at all, but about Kylo himself? Maybe they "brought him down" to build him up next movie, since now he will come with a vengeance and even more insecure than he was before. JJ has talked about the challenge of creating a new villain in a trilogy that has Vader:

source: http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/21/jj-abrams-kylo-ren-shocking-act-star-wars-force-awakens

 

I totally agree! It's awesome that the writers are adding more dimensions and layers to what the Force is. I love it.

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No ones glossing over anything.

Kylo reading Rey's mind and seeing her memory of the island tells you a lot. Just think about it...