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Do you consider The Fast and the Furious to be good?

 

I don't know, I've never seen it. But I do know that franchise didn't have the cultural impact that the Star Wars trilogy did. And I do know that every Star Wars movie made since the originals have either heavily leaned on fandom for the originals or just flat out copied them. Without those movies no Star Wars movies made since would have a leg to stand on. The people making Star Wars movies today loved them and are influenced by them. It's one thing to make a movie that spawns a money making franchise like The Fast And The Furious and it's another to inspire generations of filmmakers.

 

I have no idea what the context for this question is* (which really means I shouldn't be commenting), but I think F&F is generally good at what it aims to be good at - a fast-paced action movie about "family" that evolves its genre with the times. Not every movie is good (as is the case with virtually every long-running franchise), and none of them are Oscar-worthy, but they're not trying to be Oscar-worthy either. Still, the original was good enough to get a sequel, and each one has been good enough to do the same, more or less.


*Edit: I see the context now. The original points still remain. But the point @NunbNuts makes is a better one.

 

There are tons of factors, piracy of course being a big one, but it seems to me one of the biggest is just the insane budgets of movies these days and having to make so much more money just to break even much less be a success. Even when you even things out by adjusting for inflation the budget of the average blockbuster these days makes the movies of the past look like indie films by comparison.

 

Don't know about that:

https://www.abacademies.org/article...f-fast-furious-popularity-in-china-11511.html
https://thedailyfandom.org/impact-fast-and-furious-car-culture/

The Fast and the Furious franchise has been going forward for 20+ years. It has spawned 10 films and counting and at least one spin off. So it must be doing something right. I also fail to understand how you can cite the success/quality of SW being good because it fostered other films. Yet dismiss it when other film franchises have done the same or even better.

https://www.filmsite.org/series-boxoffice.html

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Of course of the films were influenced by SW/ANH it was the first story that other stories were built on. And Hollywood, which is a financial enterprise, are going to make films or tv shows based on what is profitable. It's why Disney purchased LF.

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This seems to be your own personal opinion than fact. I just took a look at the most influential directors of the last 30 years and I could not find anyone who mentioned being influenced by Star Wars. Also it would be hard to believe that they were influenced by SW/ANH alone. I have yet to meet or read and interview with one creative person who said that were inspired by one work alone. Just the same way that SW/ANH was influenced by Dune, The Wizard of Oz, Flash Gordon and Kurosawa.

 

As I said, it's not just that it spawned a franchise but the cultural impact of the franchise. I covered that in my last post, not sure why we're re-treading it. And it seemed to me like you were the one dismissing the FF franchise when you asked me if I thought it was good in light of it spawning a franchise. Now you're onto me for dismissing it and you're defending it. Do you like FF more than Star Wars, if so it's cool that's your opinion and I have no argument as I've yet to see them. Maybe someday I will. If you think it's as influential then I'm afraid you're just wrong. As I said there's a difference between a successful franchise and a cultural phenomena. I'm sure the FF franchise has influenced some people (mostly to buy cars) but it has never occupied the role in pop culture and history that Star Wars has. Star Wars is a franchise where people who have never even seen it can quote you many lines and know the characters, has a spot not just in pop culture but culture period. If you want to compare the cultural impact of the two you'll notice that Star Wars has its own Wikipedia page dedicated to the subject while the FF franchise has two short paragraphs in the franchise article.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_impact_of_Star_Wars

But so many of the later films are built on borrowing as much from them as possible. There was no reason for C-3PO, R2-D2, Boba Fett and many other characters to be in the prequels. The Disney films also take every opportunity to remind us of the originals resurrecting any character they can, even dead ones. The Force Awakens leaned on the plot of ANH so much it was almost a remake. They don't continue the story so much as bank on our nostalgia for the originals.

Uh no, that's fact.

https://deadline.com/2015/12/star-w...del-toro-peter-jackson-luc-besson-1201669415/
https://screenrant.com/best-movies-inspired-by-star-wars/#independence-day-1996

 

THIS! ^^^^

Not only a difference, but a Grand Canyon-wide difference. When movies, TV, and music have had a cultural impact on American life and have stood the test of time,you'd expect to find their relics on display at the Smithsonian National Museum of American History.

And guess what? If you go there today you'd enter the museum's entertainment section on a dazzling red carpet featuring the Wizard of Oz's yellow brick road and Star Wars' droids, C-3PO and R2-D2. Both films are classics -- and American cultural treasures.

 

I just used Google for 5 minutes and I found some influential directors who said they were influenced or inspired by Star Wars:

- James Cameron quit his trucker job and became a filmmaker after watching A New Hope.

- Peter Jackson looked to George Lucas and Star Wars for inspiration when creating Lord of the Rings.

- Ridley Scott scrapped his second movie because of Star Wars. As soon as he watched the movie in theaters, he knew something magical just happened.

A quote by Scott himself (after watching SW for the first time):
"I don't know who George Lucas is, but f*ck George Lucas."
He didn't mean this as an insult, no, Lucas just changed the movie business and the future of entertainment forever and Ridley knew this. He scrapped his next movie because he knew he had to adapt, especially because Ridley Scott wanted to be a major part in that blockbuster revolution as well.

 

Just as the human cycle of time is viewed as 'before Jesus Christ' and 'after Jesus Christ', modern filmmaking can best be viewed through the lens of movies before Star Wars and post-Star Wars.

George's movie changed everything.