New Leaked Footage from Set of Jakku

They will risk it IMO, I remember reading in the past about how secure Doctor Who scripts had to be the locked in a safe business yet it was still leaked, there will never be IMO a leak less movie were someone will won't try to spill a few secrets, the gain confusing you get fired from a project that's it why ruined for the fans. I fell major jail time is needed.

 

You're right. She's definitely not saying "I know how to walk from there." That makes no sense. In the 1st take I thought I heard her say the word "foot," but I couldn't for the life of me make out the whole sentence. So I was stumped 'til I read the suggestion that the 5th word was "combat." Then I listened again and it really sounded like she was saying, "I know how to combat footmen." Whatever the 6th word is, it's definitely a name for the troopers shooting at them.

But I have to disagree, I think it makes perfect sense for her character to speak so formally. First, we now know she's using a London accent -- to me it sounds posh, like Keira Knightly in Atonement, but it could be estuary or northern; I'm no expert). Anyway, that kind of accent is used by people of the upper-class; they're educated and well-off (at least they grew up that way).

Now, if Rey is the in-hiding daughter of Han and Leia, it would follow that she exhibit the characteristics we've seen so far: she's independent, stubborn, trained to fight, and speaks in an upper-class accent -- which Leia did in ANH. Rey seems like someone who had a private school education before she wound up on Jakku. So I do think it makes sense that she speak overly formal. It's also kinda funny when people do that. It would work in the film.

Also, regarding the 1st line, "Let go of me." It might be a call back to ESB when Han grabs Leia and she says, "Let go, please."

 

yea i respect any site for posting things or not. thats up to each site and thats what makes all sites different.

 

The only reason they wouldn't care is because overall it is far from the real script, after Act 1 at least, which is relatively legit.

 

Touché. Thanks for clearing that up. Again, I wasn't saying they are the same crime or the same punishment, but I'm sure, under certain circumstances which most likely apply here, certain consquences can be given. Whether they be very serious ones or not. it's kind of like if you're at work and you show up 20 minutes late, or don't show up at all. There are different punishments, but either route you take, there is some sort of system in place that will make you think twice about doing one or the other. Disney wouldn't just not have something set up that makes people think twice about giving vital information away. You also made the point that someone giving away a secret recipe that they signed a contract not to give away could face a case for civil court. What if they gave that information to someone else, and they posted it online? That information could still be taken down, no? Or would the company that now has their secret recipe online just throw their hands up and except the fact that their secret that they've been profiting off of is out into the publics hands?

But one of the points I was trying make is that, there is no way anyone could get their hands on information too fragile without being directly, deeply involved in the film. And with Disney protecting this film as much as they are, they are going to do everything in their power to prevent these things from leaking out to the public. So I wouldn't trust even the most trustworthy sources when they say they have it all figured out. But I guess that takes this from a legal issue, to a legitimacy issue. So that's for another day.

By the way, just out of curiosity, if there weren't any legal issues involved with posting secret information, how come big magazines or websites don't pay people involved within the film for insider knowledge that is supposed to be 'secret'? And if paying them is the issue, how come they don't try to persuade them into giving them this kind of stuff? I'm sure there would be multiple people more than willing to give this stuff away if their were no consequences. If not, is it just by chance major details don't slip away from Disney? Because if there are no legal issues involved, what would prevent people from giving it away? You know with as many people involved in this film as there are, someone somewhere is antsy to spew out what they saw. All I'm saying is that I think there are consquences. And even if people are just messengers, I'm sure there was some rule or contract broken along the way for them to get that information, if it really was legitimate. Making the probability of the information posted actually being legitimate very small. But as far as legal issues go, Disney is guarding this film with their lives, so I would be very surprised if anything substantial was not only leaked, but leaked and never removed. Just my opinion. Like I said, I don't know the insides and outs of these certain laws. But I think it's only common sense to assume that leaking vital information out, whether it be via footage or word of mouth if contracts are involved, is punishable to some extent. As you said, it's likely Disney would ask this information to be taken down, and if a lawsuit is possible, very few sites wouldn't comply.

 

Woah woah woah.... back up there...

Freedom of speech gives you the right for your opinion to be heard, it is not a blanket rule allowing you to run into a croweded firehouse and yell, "movie"

With freedom comes responsibility, and you are absolutely responsible for the things you say. You can't, for instance, step up on a podium and threaten to kill the President... which is, of course, only speech... without there being repercussions.

When the crew signed on, they signed away their rights. They agreed, for compensation, to abide by certain rules. Disney has absolute right to go after this person, to protect their investment and recoup any damages from the leaked footage...

I am all for spoilers and leaks, I enjoy them as much as any here, but there are "acceptable leaks" and "damaging leaks"... while I see not a lot major about this particular clip, it is something we have not seen but fairly well knew already... but that doesn't make it right, and it certainly isn't covered under freedom of speech

I think we know very little of what is going to happen... and the context of what we do know may be unclear...

The leaked plot is someone talking... they can't go after that, it IS speech... and journalistic integrity would be enough to keep MSW from revealing their sources. Posting an image, a clip, something tangible... that's different... it's a grey area, and a dangerous tightrope... and I will say this about the MSW plot that has been leaked... there are parts I am sure are dead on, and parts that are speculated which are hit and miss. I know some of it has been proven incorrect, but some of it has been verified as spot on

We (SW7N) are on good footing with Disney... not fabulous, but good...

We did not receive this footage, we did not run with it... we run with things that come to us. Would we have run it if it came to us? Hmmm... that would have been a very tough call, but we have certain safeguards to know what is acceptable to run with and what would get us shut down... that there video, had we gotten it and run with it, would have gotten taken down VERY quickly, and the long term damage to our reputation wouldn't have helped us bring more of what we can...

Our guys here in the forums found it first, and it got brought to everyone else through the forums... that's good enough on this one...

I have five bars of gold pressed latinum in my safe.... don't believe me? Probably a good idea...

Saying I have them is speech... SHOWING them to you is something else entirely... the burden of proof would be difficult... say Disney decides to prosecute MSW... here is how that would go:

Police raid... which would not happen as this is a civil matter, not a criminal one UNTIL proof comes up of an actual theft... but... for the sake of argument, let's just say police raid. The documents in question have already been shredded or otherwise disposed of...

Ok, let's take them to trial...

Disney: where did you get the documents?

MSW: what documents?

Disney: the ones you claimed to have

MSW: I lied

Disney: but some of the information was correct

MSW: Good guesses

Disney: too good...

MSW: Was I wrong about anything?

Disney: ummm... er... welll....

Disney's suits are very aggressive... and you can post a link to the video... here, let me...

https://www.videoup.net/v/m7riw2miw-leaked-footage-from-the-force-awakens/

But I am NOT going to post the video... nor am I going to "include" it as media... I will say it is over THERE, lookie what they are doing

[AFTERTHOUGHT]

There is a difference between leaked promo pics and leaked footage.... and this...

When a promo pic is taken, such as the ones we revealed of a few characters, those were taken by official sources for official reasons, and they kinda slipped out... they would have been released, just not necessarily when they got out...

THIS was someone taking unauthorized footage. It isn't an official cut, it's bootleg... It will be very very easy to track down who did this... JJ & crew have detailed lists of who was where, and from the angle, and the other people in the shot, it will not be hard to triangulate down on their position. This fool is toast.

 

I think you completely missed what I was saying, and the context of the reply and the quote. Can't back up, gotta keep moving!

Less NDA talk, more grainy spy footage talk!

 

It was pretty freakin incredible, wasn't it?

 

understand completely, I am kind of shocked that they asked me to remove the video off youtube (but got it taken off before I could) but havent ask me not to link to at starwarsjunk.net but than again, i am not a major site so doubt they even know its up there. It just seem odd to be that none of the big star wars news site posted it, even for a few mins. And, not saying this is about you call, cause it doesnt fit in, but I know other sites that don't run with stuff in fear of being black listened. Not a few of legal problem but a fear of losing swag, or press passes. To me, and JUST me, that goes against what fans sites are about. But this has to be something each site feels is best for them.
I would remove anything that might get me in to legal issues but i am not removing anything when just asked. Again that is just.

anyone remember a star wars site about ROTS that always had good leak stuff and it had to get a new URL like every 2-3 weeks cause it losing its servers thanks to lucasfilms lol.

 

You're right about that - anyone caught leaking info in violation of their contract would almost certainly be fired, and would find it difficult to secure future employment in the industry. Never mind the potential lawsuit. I don't know why anyone would risk it, honestly.

As to your question about magazines paying sources, I'm not entirely sure about the legalities of paying someone to violate a contract - never had that come up. But in general professional journalists and magazine publishers could do great harm to their reputations by engaging in such practices. They could very easily create permanent rifts with the studios, damaging their ability to get access to the kind of information they rely on for the majority of their stories. Take the guy from EW that seems to have an inside line with Lucasfilm right now - how quickly would his connection disappear if he started helping someone leak plot details that Disney wanted kept under wraps?

Concerning the plot info that MSW has leaked, I'm convinced that it's legitimate. But they can't actually show the document they have, because that could violate intellectual property law, and potentially reveal their source (and revealing sources is a death sentence for spoiler sites).

But if you don't like the way MSW's version of the movie sounds, don't worry. What he has isn't even as detailed as a broad outline.

Image you and I were told that a movie was about an orphaned boy, raised by his aunt and uncle, who lead a very simple existence but always dreamed of something grand. Then one day he discovered he had an amazing power , and was thrust into a battle against a powerful evil. I might interpret that as the story of Spider-Man. You might see the story of Harry Potter. But it might actually be the story of Luke Skywalker.

My point is, just because someone knows the general thrust of the story, doesn't mean they really understand what they're looking at. Sometimes the details are more important that the bullet points.

 

Well said. I'm glad to see someone on a forum who can actually exchange opinions without turning it into an argument.

 

Speaking from experience (I am an Independent Hip Hop artist and have released 5 solo albums, as well as 2 group albums as a member of Grindhouse Gang, and readying a 3rd album for release) - There are several ways an album can leak online before retail release.

1. Unfinished/Unmastered tracks are leaked by an engineer or someone with access to the studio. This is more likely to happen when artists record at major recording studios. If artists record in their own private studios, then it's less likely things will leak, as there are far less people with access to the files.

2. A blogger/reviewer/press website leaks an advanced copy of the album, sent out by the record label or artist's management for promotional usage to hype up the release of the album and for the critics to review the material

3. The artists themselves or engineers give a copy of the album to a friend for them to listen to. This is a less likely scenario as artists generally give material to close friends that are trusted and won't leak their stuff, but it can happen. Someone could steal the copy and make their own copy or whatever. I heard a few years ago that Lil Wayne's car was broken into, and his CDs were stolen, and some unreleased tracks leaked onto the internet that way. I've also heard of laptops being stolen and material being leaked that way - whether from the artists themselves or from being in a studio environment, etc.

4. The artists themselves leak the album. This actually happens quite frequently, especially when record labels aren't doing a proper job of promotion. Artists can and will go rogue, and leak the material online or to bloggers, to generate some publicity for the project. This happens A LOT in Hip Hop, especially Indie Hip Hop, where there are only a few labels that really treat their artists like the treasures they should be.

I'm sure you could come up with other scenarios for leaks, but from my experience, these are generally the ones I have encountered. I sold over 10,000 physical copies of my 2nd album, The Oracle: Awakening of The Third Eye, and I found hundreds of download links (one in particular that was on a Russian forum, and had over 100,000 downloads. If even 20,000-30,000 of those people had purchased it, I'd be sitting on a small fortune). But I didn't do too bad on that project. Do the math. $16 per copy, 10,000 physical units sold. That's 16K in my pocket, and around 12K profit when you take into consideration the budgets for recording, mixing/mastering, promotion, distribution, release, and shipment of release.

I can't imagine how crazy it must be to deal with leaks on something as massive as STAR WARS. To be honest, I would have an entire department of people that did nothing other than sit on their computers all day and take down pirate links. Sure, leaks are good for promotion, and it might be a bit different in the moviemaking world, when only bits and pieces of behind the scenes stuff is getting out. That isn't really taking away from their ability to move the product. But it definitely hinders us musicians, as it's a lot easier for a 15 track album to get out there than something like STAR WARS in its entirety.

I used to spend 6-8 hours a day, trying to remove pirated links from online, as well as paying friends/family of mine to go online and remove pirated links. But the further I got into music making and the more albums I did, the more difficult it became to find the time to sit around all day removing links. Sure, it's great that people from all over the world are listening to my album, but I've got a family to feed, so I'd be a lot happier with people purchasing the content than with them downloading it, even if they did their part by spreading awareness to the album on social media. It's a double-edged sword (or lightsaber), undoubtedly, and I would love to know the inside practices of how Lucasfilm/Disney & other film companies tackle these hindrances. It's quite frustrating on an independent level.

But that's the world we live in now. This is the instant gratification generation. Everything is expected to be made available immediately and disseminated, without any regard for the man hours (or blood/sweat/tears) involved in bringing this content to fruition. It's a VERY challenging process to create an album and have it 100% satisfactory, especially when most artists are classic tinkerers (like George Lucas himself) and are truly NEVER really satisfied with the final product, and can always find things they'd wish to change or alter, even if others don't recognize these issues. It's the classic conundrum of the creative perfectionist. That's the ONLY reason I ever empathized with George on his special editions. Even if we don't agree with the changes, they are the changes that he wanted to make for decades and couldn't. But that's another topic for another day!

 

are there 2 vids? ive only seen the one where they run past and you see the troopers from behind, but i keep seeing a screencap of rey standing there holding her staff which i can't see in the video?


here it is, looks like a better quality too