SPECULATION OFFICIAL Rey Discussion Thread

I think there is a stronger bond between kylo and Rey than cousins. Brother/sister bond is a much stronger narrative plot point. There's already enough backstory for us to catch up on to also throw in "oh, and by the way Luke had a wife and kid since our last episode". It would be almost like we missed another trilogy. Even a casual Star Wars fan would expect Han and Leia to have married and had children.

For me,I hope that 2 fan fantasies don't make it into the film- snoke = plagieus and Luke having a kid.

 

What's the problem with Snoke being Plagueis? i think would be awesome.

 

well it would be another connection, so I don't have a problem with it myself...

 

I have no problems although he supposedly is dead. I think the thing irritates me more is this Staff. Its not his, its just a staff - nothing special or magic about it.

 

To be honest, a lot of the new canon of the OT era has to deal with the sloppy retcon of the siblings issue and it's kind of clear that's what they're trying to clean up. There's always going to be a bit of a creepy factor there cause they just didn't have that plot twist planned out and it didn't come as smoothly as the Vader twist. Like even the Heir to the Jedi book had that love interest girl for Luke and Leia was like not all that thrilled with it, but trying to make it all as platonic as possible.

 

The twins thing never bothered me like it does others. Probably because I knew of it before I really saw all of the films.
But to me it never got creepy because it never got serious in the films. I never get the feeling that Leia and Luke would have ever ended up together anyway, and ESB made that very clear. Luke was attracted to Leia in ANH and jealous of Han's attraction to her. But in ESB I never felt he was jealous as much as protective. There isn't much in the film to build his love for her - as you would expect there to be if there was a serious love triangle.
I tend to believe, as I recall Lucas once saying, that he decided on Leia being Luke's sister sometime during the editing of ESB and that is why he deleted the romantic "almost" kiss from the film and just left the one where she kissed Luke only to make Han jealous. To me, it makes sense that she is his sister since she can hear Luke calling through the Force, though that can be accounted for in other ways. I can't remember if Lucas's account of this was contradicted by any evidence other than Gary Kurtz saying it wasn't always Leia. I know she wasn't originally the "other," but I don't know what evidence there is as to when he decided this.

There is also the interesting detail that in one draft (3rd I believe) Leia's role in the plot was taken up by Luke's brother, Deak. He was captured in the beginning, sent R2 to find Luke and give him a message, and needed to be rescued at the end. In the same draft, Leia was his cousin, the daughter of Owen and Beru (yet, oddly, she was still attracted to Luke - some suggest that they weren't meant to be real cousins). You can almost see where he might have gotten the idea that Leia could be his sister.

EDIT: Just checked Rinzler's Making of Jedi book and a very early note, possibly the oldest for Jedi, indicates that Leia is his sister. I don't think it is dated, though. So it looks like she was his sister from the very beginning of writing Jedi at least.

 

What other sources besides MSW are saying this? Do they know more?

 

Most sources tend to be roughly the same, including the guy who run's this very site. The rumors tend to be parallel - not much difference in what is been said, MSW, Slash Film, Indie Revolver, many of the Japanese sites which I can't translate but am told its the same. The only thing that seems ambiguous is Luke's screen time and clashes over Rey's parentage. So lets not all bash MSW, sure things could be wrong but stuff is aligning. If peeps don't like rumor don't bash the people who are reporting it, its not there fault. If like or dislike something take it up with Lucas Films not the reporters.

 

Yes but i the guy learned how to cheat death, why wouldn't him use it for himself? this isn't legend stuff, but straight up Canon, no matter how much people hate the prequels (that includes me), I'm ok with Plagueis i think his concept is much more frightening than the Emperor himself, so would be awesome in my opinion, Plagueis yes, midclorians no.

 

This is about what I think, though I don't care about Plagieus.

Also, it's interesting to me that so much weight is given to how MSW interprets the leaked script they have. Any one of us can do that, you know, and I don't doubt that the shooting scrip is real. Regarding Rey, they go back and forth about who they think she is. The last podcast I listened to, earlier this month, she was Rey Random, and that is just not going to happen. She will be a Skywalker of some type, you can take it to the bank. It has to be that way so that Disney can make bank. This franchise cost them four billion dollars. They are hardly going to take chances on the identity of the lead character.

We get a different take from the people who claim to be actual sources of leaks, who have also been vindicated regarding the plot. They have a definite idea of who they think she is.

 

To be fair the cheating death Palpatine mentioned was creating life and keeping people alive. I wonder could he prolong himself?

 

Palpatine made the point that Plagueis couldn't keep himself from dying

"It's ironic, that he could save others from death but not himself"

 

That what a true Sith Lord would want his apprentice to think

 

The idea that Plagueis survived wasn't even considered until Luceno's book which is unfortunately trapped in a nebulous "maybe canon?" cloud. You can use a "it would make a good story argument" but bringing canon into a Plagueis debate just weakens the point. "But Plagueis is dead" is a thing here for a reason, however there's no reason to derail Rey's thread by bringing up that old argument.

 

"Maybe cannon".... like the Holiday Special?

 

But if anything these latest TV ads and the trailer for me points in the direction that Rey is not a Solo. I think at this point her being Lukes makes the most sense

 

While being a Solo is possible I have been gravitating away from this idea for a while now. I think Lukenis a possibility. I also think that the big twist for this movie may not be who is your father (or parents) but who is not your father (or parents). I think everyone from average movie goer to super fan are expecting her to be related to Han and Leia or Luke. It definitely would be a twist if she is not related to either. Some of us might see it coming but the average person sure won't.

 

. . . or Rey Palpatine!!!!!

 

If Rey turns out to not be related to Luke or Han and Leia,

Will people be surprised in a positive way? Or a negative way...

Will it even matter as long as it's execute it well?

 

Ridley said in the SFX interview that she's read the script for Episode VIII. And that her brain is already forgetting Episode VII stuff.