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Potential Spoiler Details Kinda Stuff.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by King3000, Sep 30, 2014.

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    Definitely possible. It looks like King's source is correct in that Rose is a short alien.
     
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    Update.

    Lupita is definately playing a mo cap character. I have confirmation she was wearing both headgear and suit for mo cap, she was on her knees so I assume her upper body gestures will be used in the close ups.

    The small person (they are really small even for a small person) doing the cantina walkthrough knocking people out the way was also wearing a mo cap suit but no headgear.

    So Lupita especially in this scene is CGI only, there was reports of another set from MSW where it was raised for puppetry but there was nothing present on set in this scene except for BB-8 who was pushed along on two poles.

    I have seen paperwork and set sketches for this scene and a few sheets of information.

    There are "spiral" type staircases leading upstairs and downstairs, these only have 4 to 5 steps on them and don't actually lead anywhere (Set trickery). There is an extremely large fire pit in the centre of the set with animals on a spit and some awesome chairs made out of Xwing/Tie Fighter seats.

    Poe Dameron is definately NOT in this scene.

    Here is something interesting, I specifically asked if "Rose" takes the others somewhere to sit and talk, my guy said he has not seen footage of them going "downstairs" so to speak, but this was obviously done on another set if its in the move BUT and this is kinda telling, "Rose" does take them to a table in the corner of the Cantina and begins using Jedi powers to make bowls of food and fruit hover in the air around the table, these were old school "on strings" special effects. Whether this shot will be edited to make it look like they are elsewhere and the bowls replaced with "Flashback visions" floating around them I dont know sounds cool though.

    Another cool thing which I can't figure, on the exterior shot where the cast ere told to react to a planet being destroyed (Might be the Castle or a moon, spacestation who knows) with the big greenscreen. The only other standout prop in this scene is a cockpit, dont know what its doing there, or if its from a crashed ship but its sitting out the front of the Cantina (well not sure on distance but its outside).

    I have seen photos only a couple of the forest of dean filming, only of Stormtroopers in mid battle.
     
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    Lines up with what I've heard.
     
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    Sounds really cool. Thanks for the update!
     
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    Thanks! Very informative!

    ... still wondering: WHERE IS POE?!
     
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    Ok, so EVERYONE KNOWS: Crystal Clarke WILL NOT be playing Darth Simi in VII. If anyone tries to use that in a formula or imply it in ANY way, toss their credibility in the trash. I'm finished! :)
     
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    Yeah, the MOCAP systems have a front camera pointing to the face with a light, to get all the face gestures.

    mocap light.jpg
     
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    Far right, black stormtrooper
    Proof:
    [​IMG]

    EDIT:
    I don't understand, how is this offtopic? It's proof that King3000 claims in this thread are true.
     
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    The red guy looks like a Mass Effect Turian. I love Ithorians and glad to see one of those as well.
     
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    Who's that fat cat in the middle?
     
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    Looks like obi wans mate from the diner
     
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    Yep. That would indeed be proof. Awesome photo shoot.
     
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    He also looks like concepts I've seen for Darth Maul I think. The Hammer-headesque helmet I remember distinctly. It was black of course.

    The head pirate I'd think. That's clearly a band of space pirates. Some bounty hunters may be mixed in there too.
     
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    This one is also confirmed by the vanity fair photo
     
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    So, I think it would be nice to recap in this thread a little.

    First up, lets look at the environment.
    The scene King3000 initially described was shot on one of Pinewood's outdoor lots.
    We can easily place the Jakku village set to the North Lot from the position of the X-Wing in the Force For Change video. The fact that bluescreen work was needed for the scene described by King suggests to me it was filmed on the Paddock Lot, where it appears (although I'm not 100% sure) a huge screen is a permanent fixture. I'm sure there is the option to erect bluescreen wherever necessary outside Pinewood, but we know the Paddock Lot was used for Episode VII, and I think it matches what we see in the Vanity Fair video.
    [​IMG] [​IMG]


    The exteriors were described as "slabbed floors and grass". I think we can now pretty confidently tie the Pinewood set in with what was filmed at Puzzlewood in October. There is some serious damage caused to the exterior, there is a First Order drop ship outside (is this what was described to King as a "cockpit" - they are pretty simple-looking things?) Phasma is there and troops are there.
    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    The interior, as described to King, was deemed to be a cantina or pub where Lupita's character may have been a bartender. The description left enough doubt for King to even consider it may be set onboard a vessel of some kind. We now know it is being described as a castle, although it is easy to see why, with such a collection of freaks, it may have been easy to presume this was a cantina in the Star Wars tradition...
    [​IMG]

    I suppose the key things are that the black, OT-style trooper with Aurebesh across the helmet is there, there is a big guy who looks like he may require a few puppeteers to operate, and another guy who looks vaguely like the Baragwin character described to King, seen chopping up "rats" as some kind of "butcher".
    There are also a few short characters there - King suggested Warwick Davis (as some kind of musician) and Deep Roy were involved in the shoot and Kenny Baker was on set. Whether they are any of the characters in this photo remains to be seen, I guess.


    So, speculation time on my part.
    It seems pretty clear the "massive event" which causes commotion and draws everyone outside is likely to be an attack on the castle itself led by Phasma. MSW suggests Kylo Ren takes Rey here - I think it is more likely Phasma is acting as Ren's right hand in these scenes. The "catapult" weapon is used on the castle, troops land, led by Phasma, and survey the damage, and Rey is eventually captured and taken to Kylo Ren. Just my opinion of how it would play out, of course.

    What is not so clear is Han's involvement. Is this evidence of a few tweaks being made to accomodate his injury? King says the the bulk of the interiors were shot before Solo's return, while he was featured more heavily in the exteriors, shot after his return.
    Again, just my speculation (we were originally speculating this scene took place near the start of the movie shortly after Finn and Rey had met and before they left the desert planet) but it seems likely to me Han, Chewie, Finn, Rey and BB-8 all arrive at this location in the second act. Yet it seems everyone except Han enters the pirate castle at the same time. Does he have a small errand to run on this world first? Are our heroes made welcome on this planet Han hangs behind chatting with their hosts for a short while as the rest of the group enter the castle? Or does he just "stay with the ship" initially?

    Either way, as a quick recap of this thread, King is basically describing it going down like this (paraphrasing, of course):
    Rey, Finn, BB-8 and Chewie enter. Rey is confronted by an alien (Simon Pegg) and draws her blaster. The alien snatches the blaster, saying: "don't point a blaster at someone if you are not going to use it." Chewie, with his injured arm strapped up, squares up to the alien. The alien quips: "what good is a one-armed Wookiee." Chewie proceeds to tear off the arm and hands the blaster back to Rey.
    ----
    When Han enters, Maz Kanata is portrayed as the authority figure among the pirates. She recognises Solo and announces: "Han Solo!" (at which point everyone is silenced and turns to look at the character who just entered, in true western style) "you have 25 bounties on your head!"
    ----
    At some point Maz takes our heroes aside to a table and gives them a little force display, levitating bowls.
    ----
    After the massive event of destruction, Han is seen cutting through the crowd, as everyone rushes outside to see what is going on.
    ----
    At some point Finn says the lines "that was when I met you" and "I didn't want to fight".



    It would be interesting to hear some feedback from @King3000 on what order he now believes the sequences he was told about take place. Because it seems more likely to me, the "Han cutting through the crowd" stuff would come after everyone has met Maz and the attack is under way, rather than on his way to the castle. Have our heroes been scattered by this point, and have Rey and Finn already had their "vision" with Maz?

    Lots to think about... but things are becoming slightly clearer (IMHO, of course) :)
     
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    I believe this screenshot from the force for change video places han solo in the scene after the castle's destruction.
    Notice the stunt double on the left:
    [​IMG]
     
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    Yup, looks that way.
     
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    Cool - I knew I'd seen more of this, didn't think to check that video. :)
     
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    I dont think there is much more! I was trying to see if the costume of the force for change contest matches any of the creatures but it doesn't. But I'm sure he will be one of them, he was there the day they were shooting.
    Other than that I spotted Ford's double and also chewie in one of the monitors.
     
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