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SPOILER Recent MSW leaks all in one thread and theories

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Lord Skywalker, Apr 11, 2017.

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Is TLJ turning out to be a good movie based on leaks? Do you think it will be an ESB rehash?

  1. Yes, will be a good movie

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  2. No, will not be a good movie

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  3. Yes, will be a rehash

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  4. No, will not be a rehash

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  1. SickBoy

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    I don't base my opinion of a movie on spoiler and leaks - as far as I'm concerned, one can read a detailed synopsis or even a full script, but the only way to truly form an opinion about a movie is to watch it. Also, a lot of the tidbits of info we got so far are vague to the point of being meaningless ("Luke's journey will be much more 'mystical'; "Luke has a compass of some type"; "The costumes are much better than TFA"; "The FO is much scarier than in TFA").

    I do, however, trust in Johnson - a trust earned by his movies as well as his work on Breaking Bad - and, for now, Disney/LFL seems to know what they're doing: they said TFA was meant to take SW back to its roots, to introduce it to a new audience while making it feel both familiar and fresh to the fans and, to me, they fully achieved all of this; then, they said that R1 would've been a different take, a grittier war movie and - flawed as it was - the movie delivered.

    With all that said, going back to MSW spoilers and leaks, they surely make this movie sounds interesting and, possibly, exciting. I like the directions they could take with the Porgs, as well as with the rumored Force Tree/Burning Tree, and I think it would be wise, bold and smart if Luke didn't have - or, at least, didn't use - a lightsaber. I'm definitely interested in Del Toro's and Dern's characters as well.

    Also, I think it's great that they're using the new movies (R1 and, apparently, TLJ) to "legitimize" the prequels a bit: no amount of reference, soft retconning or meddling with the "watching order" can turn them into good movies but I surely think is possible to make them feel more connected to the saga and the in-story universe as a whole.


    Where did you get this idea that the New Republic is supposed to be "dead"? There's a speculative argument that could be made in such direction - if, by destroying the Hosnian system, the FO menaged to kill all the government representatives and officials, then it is formally correct to say that the "New Republic is dead" - but, in TFA (where politic is as clear and well established as it was in the OT), is pretty clear that the NR is one thing and Leia's Resistance is another so I'm not entirely sure what Leia has to do with being "de facto Chancellor" or why are you assuming that the NR is dead.
     
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    I agree, however, they could do what myself and a friend were talking about recently and go back and make prequel era films that weren't directly connected to the saga without touching the episodes. TCW animated series showed there are lots of good stories in that era, the prequels just did a bad job of telling them.
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    I thought ewoks as soon as I read that, but I love the ewoks so it's all good.
     
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    You mean her wedding ring? Or her siblings ring? :D:D:D:D
     
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    There's only two character's left for Luke to reunite with - Leia and C-3PO. If they didn't film a Luke/Leia reunion before Fisher died, I'm afraid that's out of their control. And reuniting Luke with C-3PO isn't important enough to go out of their way to make happen.

    It's funny that you put this picture in your post, because it had just thought about it. The first time I saw this image I thought it was a good indication that Luke and Leia would be reunited in TLJ (still just Ep8 at the time) because they were together onset, in costume, on the same day. Maybe it was for a flashback. Or Hamill was wearing a costume hiding robe to keep warm on a day he was just visiting.

    It's just the opposite for me. I'm glad they haven't abandoned adding new semi-magical/fairy-tale element to Star Wars. There should be aspects of Star Wars that are strange and mysterious. Not every important creature in the galaxy has to be humanoid.

    All of these rumors sound good (or at least reasonable), but I'm with @SickBoy - I can't form an opinion about how good the movie is turning out to be from what little we know - but nothing I've heard so far has given me any cause to worry.
     
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    Erm, Hux literally says "destroy the Republic" and that is how the event is depicted in the film. Leia's Resistance is funded by like-minded Republic senators, and given the fact that they are all probably dead and that she was a founder of the Republic and former senator within it, it stands to reason that the galaxy might rally behind her as their new leader.
     
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    Did this info come from one of their podcasts or something?
     
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    "Possibly..."

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    On another note, I'm interested in the MSW stuff and I know they hit 3/4 of it right last time, but there were also several things changed or that didn't make it into the final cut, as was discussed in another thread...

    So - some of this could be what we see, some could be a lot different.

    I really do hope above all else, that Luke and Leia see each other again. I don't know if because of the death of Carrie this would have to be tweaked around but...it's a terrible story idea for the saga as a whole, if brother and sister, kids of Anakin, never see each other on screen again.

    That would be a shame.
     
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    Voted yes to both.
     
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    Yes. The most recent one posted yesterday
     
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    Im not sure, its just one of those things that I have to see how it plays out on screen and how they do it. Im not saying its a bad thing, just different from what we have seen on screen. Different doesn't equate to bad tho.
     
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    Man...why have mystical/important birds if they aren't convorees? Why all that set up in Clone Wars and Rebels and then not monopolize on it if you are going t use mystical birds as an element of your story anyways? It's confusing (for now) why they wouldn't go that way.
     
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    Couldn't agree more. I think the prequel era is full of potential and traps, as well - but, with good (or even just solid, really) writing, potential can be exploited and traps avoided.

    Around the time TFA was coming there was a lot of talking about an alleged "ban", from Disney, on all things prequels. I can certainly understand where that came from, and I can even see Disney/LFL not wanting to be associated with such divisive movies when they were trying to relaunch the franchise, but it never made sense, to me, from a business point of view: if you spend +4 bil on a property, you are not going to let almost half of it go to waste. I think Mike Stoklasa's observation was pretty on point, when he noted that - just around the time when Disney bought LF - articles and essays started to appear, that tried to "rehabilitate" the PT.
    So far, REBELS re-introduced several characters and designs from the PT, R1 used some designs and musical cues and - while mostly OT-oriented - even TFA incorporated some elements (or, rather, some sensibilities) from the prequels.

    Based on all of this, I have a feel TLJ will take small elements and details from both TESB and AotC and, in Johnson's hands, this could do a lot to make the saga feel whole, less 'disconnected.
    And I definitely feel that - after the 'first wave' of saga movies and spin off - a few prequel era movie may (and should, really) be in the cards :)

    @duckface - hey, you asked "that doesn't mean "the Republic" is dead. A country would still exist if the capital was (God forbid) destroyed., no?" and I answered you. "Republic" is one thing, is the State. "Country" (that would be the galaxy, in this case, or - at least - the portion of galaxy controlled by the NR) is a different thing. As for the people rallying behind Leia... I don't know, my understanding is that the Resistance is not, entirely, "official" or at least is more like a militia than an actual army. I guess it's more than likely that, after the "behading" of the Government, there is now a power struggle, inside what's left of the NR and the Resistance (and that's where Laura Dern's character comes in, I suppose?)
     
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    Uh, I'm aware of the difference between a geographical region and a government. But if Washington D.C. suddenly disappeared, the U.S. government would probably just use a different capital, not stop existing. Am I the only one here who's watched Battlestar Galactica? (Or lived in a war zone? -- probably!)
     
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    I watched Battlestar Galactica (both versions, actually) - the entire premise, there, is that there are surviving members of the government and the struggle to control them/remove them from power is one of the main themes of the first seasons (also: before the new President is appointed, the military [Adama] are the "government").

    Yes, if Washington D.C. suddenly disappeared, the Government would probably use a different capital. If every single member of government was killed in that same act, however, the U.S. would be in a... politically unstable situation, to say the least. New leaders would fight to emerge (and, storycally, with such instability, the "new leaders" rise, mostly, from the military). Dissidents would try to exploit the situation to seize power. It would be chaos, which is pretty much the exact opposite of "Government".

    All of this, of course, assuming that the destruction of the Hosnian System carries the death of everyone (or almost everyone) in the NR government (and, if reports are correct about TLJ timeline, we should see the very aftermath of all of this).
     
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    That is basically what I implied/said, so I'm not sure why you're contradicting me... But each to his own, enjoy yourself!
     
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    Sounds a lot like Designated survivor.

    However, every member of the goverment is destroyed, the capital system is destroyed, presumably most of the bureaucracy that bound the republic together is destroyed, data lost, expertise lost - the government in exile - if you can call the resistance and the survivors of the republic fleet that, can hardly be said to constitute the republic as it was, it is more like the Spanish republican government in exile after the Spanish Civil War - that was not the Spanish republic, more so a committee for the refoundation of the republic.
     
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