Rey Solo

My wife feels even more strongly, on a more instinctive level.

When we watch Star Wars movies I frequently hear her shout at the screen "Ah! Get away from her you creep!" ... At Jabba, Kylo, and pretty much every Anakin scene after TPM.

Every time we watch ESB I even have to convince her that Han isn't a total creep with Leia.

She may not be representative of the general female public though as she married me, quintessential nerdy nice guy, who is pretty much the farthest you could get from a wild, exciting, angsty dark jedi master.

She loved TLJ but hated the shirtless scene. ... Or so she says.

 

LOL

That isn't the Reylo theory I remember bandied before TLJ. In fact your reasons that I objected to it. Had it been presented as a cautionary tale of a subverted romance those that saw it as problematic would have had more agreement. But it was presented as a romantic ideal or a connection to compassion that would bring about redemption.

Luke said it best. "This isn't going to turn out the way you think."

 

Lets face it- Han IS a bit of a creep, but only by being a product of his time. Had he grew up nowadays, so to speak, he wouldnt have have been quite so pushy.
Its a world away from the abusive, manipulative crap of Kylo, and the outright creepy, stalkery weirdness of Anakin.

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Given that even after Snoklekins death the Force connection seemed to have 'stuck', I'm expecting throughout IX Kylo is going to continue to try and communicate and influence Rey. Which makes me worried how the writing is going to handle that. So help me god if they have Rey continue to be like "Oh hes not so bad, and try again to redeem him". Please don't waste the last act of Reys story making her prop for his character development. I am begging you. This is the movie I want to see her come into her own, lead, kick ass. Show all the whiney hypocrites how epic she can really be- (and I'll say "oh you thought THAT made her a Mary Sue? bwahahahaha!")

Ahem. Anyway, yes. Reylo the romance is irresponsible gross writing, Reylo the ying yang force babies? Cool.

 

Huh? I always presented it as this - just with the expectation that Ben would return. He didn’t. He moved further away. But the idea remains the same and Ben isn’t completely lost...nor is ReyLo.

I’ve specifically said a number of times that ReyLo can mean a number of things but what is set is the idea that they have a connection that isn’t familial and there is an attraction. TLJ made this explicit.

 

While I kind of hoped otherwise and thought it could still maybe happen, I really knew Rey was not related the Skywalkers as soon as Han walked into the Falcon in TFA stating "Chewie, we're home" and Rey did not immediately say "Dad, how did you find me and your ship I stole?"

 

I'd give your post a like if I could, but I don't believe I can yet since I'm new...

But yes, I fully agree. Also, from what I've read on Force bonds, they're not so easily broken. Severing one isn't as simple as closing a door. Rey shutting the door shows her rejection of Supreme Leader Kylo Ren and the offer he made, but I get the feeling they're still going to be dealing with that connection between them for a while yet. And while the 'door' may be closed, there could still be a window left open for Ben Solo...

 

Thanks! I liked yours instead!

 

I’ve debated writing this post. But imma do it. I was worried if I could word right considering implications for well...y’know Reylo.

Sorry for ranting and rambling.

The people who are saying Reylo is a gross abusive romance are right.

I certainly wouldn’t want my daughter or child to be in a romance with murderer Kylo Ren.

And I know some people (not on this board thank god, love you guys) saying “oh I wan’t redeemed Ben Solo back solely so he can deserve Rey”.

What the f does that mean. It takes away her agency from herself and makes her seem like a freaking trophy he’s won by becoming good.

Kylo Ren deserves sh*t all, especially if he simply says it and doesn’t back it up with actions.

If he turns on FO and starts wrecking their stuff up, is visibly torn and remorseful over his actions, and only IF, he completely turns away from the dark and starts some serious efforts to show he wants redemption.

Resistance still shouldn’t give him anything. Finn,Poe,Rose, Rey, anyone in it still dont owe him sh*t. It’s why I think best ending for redeemed alive!Ben would be him going off alone or being imprisoned.

But...this is where my bias for Kylo comes in I guess, as people have accused me on this board of excusing his evil actions because I feel pity and sympathy for how he's suffered. (I WILL stand by this point-Snoke abuse, Dark side pressure etc) and that he has humanity (Anoter point I WILL stand by-Crying over his mother, genuine concern for Rey, but no remorse for anything/anyone else) but I’ve always made it clear it doesn’t excuse his murder and manipulaton (killing Han, almost Killing Finn, being a selfish pr*ck in interrogation scene to Rey etc) those were evil bad (-insert whatever similar adjective-) things to do. I still dislike his character for those things. I want Finn to whoop him if he can, would be great. Someone also said in the Kylo Ren thread it would be even more difficult in IX for redemption, because as head of FO he will be complicit in all their atrocities, and I agree. Completely. And I think Kylo wouldn’t care about that, only himself.

I believe Reylo should die, romance with selfish dark side Kylo Ren is icky and gross and wrong message to send like PT Anakin Padme.
And i’d like to say I do see a possibility of him going completely dark. Then romance 100% dead and Kylo can be pooted away.

But here’s the thing (again imma refrain in my humble opinion I don’t see this happening, but I said the same thing after TFA yet force bond happened-also a warning to people calling Reylo concept dead-disney may surprise us again. Even if you think its bad writing, they didn’t give a frick last time) I can see Rey and Ben Solo (Reyben) getting together. Under one or two circumstances. And probably not even romance. Hopeully not.

What if (big what if here) we get Ben Solo back by the end. IF first half of his arc in IX is him slowly but surely getting darker by picking “muh dark side”, then in a subversion of Vader he has an “oh blast moment” (i hate saying this but Padme and Anakin where she can fight back and takes none of his sh*t, especially Rey after being let down in TLJ and ignores him in force bond until moment, but done right) and wants to come back, go light.

He does everything I’ve outlined at the start. “Deeds not words” as the suffragettes said. He also accepts Rey’s ignorance in force bond and says she doesn’t owe him anything and that its the right thing to do.

Then IF he’s alive in the last few moments of the film and after he’s inferred hes going away or accepting imprisonment, he does it. I want this ending btw.

Resistance agrees and refuses to give him anything.

But Rey wants too, eventually, after a long timeskip. Out of her own conpassion and agency, and after she can feel he’s dragged himself over hot coals of remorse and guilt for all his misdeeds, done all the sh*t he can to prove that he wants to come back, accepted their offer of nothing for it, and gone along with their terms of imprisonment/exile.

She goes to see him and makes an offer to him. An inversion of the two offers he gave her, not to rule the galaxy or even be master and padawan, but an offer to simply keep in touch.

He agrees to it. As Ben Solo.

End film with barest hint of romance but hammer in a lesson of friendship and equals. Better imo.

Or, better in some peoples eyes, she scoffs and leaves him to rot.

End my post.

I got something off my chest with this post, and feel better for it.

Sorry for rambling.

Last point, I agree with both @Sal and @master_shaitan.

Sal, I get your concerns and agree completely. I don’t want Rey’s plot in IX to revolve around “poor Kylo Ren and HIS problems” and for Rey to be hung up on his redemption again. F*ck no. And I wanna see her kick his @ss in a cool way. Point against TLJ was no cool direct lightsaber duels.

Reylo shouldn’t happen, only hardcore redemption BenRey. And that’s a big IF.

Agree with this. Ben isn’t conpletely gone but TLJ did his possibility for redemption no favor. Worsened it. A lot. There is still a thin iota for it. But heh.

BenRey aint lost. Reylo should be.

 

i see that avatar.
and i approve. : D

 

Yeah, @FN-3263827 has bern banging on about this for a while. The ReyLo name stinks. It should be ReyBen (see my shiny new avatar). But alas, ReyLo sounds great and the triggering it induces is hilarious.

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I heard you had a hand in it, you crafty minx

 

i had no hand in any of it.
all credit due to @Obi-Wan Solo. : D

p.s. death to Reylo!!!

 

Hey, I have nothing to do with it, but I approve!

I agree Reylo name is not great, but it's a shorthand isn't it, so I don't mind it. Important thing is we want Rey and Ben to bring balance to the Force and themselves. Together!

 

I believe the correct title is now BenReySobodyNolo.

 

I know a far worse pair than Reylo, if Luke had lived...

ReyLuke.

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Yup. A happy balanced life, not dark side bs or light side incompetence.

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THE OLD SHIP NAME IS DEAD! LONG LIVE THE NEW SHIP NAME!

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I agree, if it applies to hardcore Rey Solo people who still haven't given up.

 

I can't ever see Han as a creep with Leia, though I could see how some could. In ESB it came across to me as he had strong feelings for Leia, she had strong feelings for him, he knew it and he needed confirmation. He got the confirmation, because after the kiss, she certainly wasn't hiding her feelings or affection. The "Reylo" crap can't even hold a candle to Han and Leia though. Those two had mad chemistry, and a witty, fun banter. They complimented each other well. Oh, and one of them wasn't an unhinged, parent-murdering psycho!

Hey, the quintessential nerdy nice guys make the best husbands! I married a guy like that too, though he thinks he's not nerdy. The shirtless scene was cringe inducing for me. Adam Driver is very fit and I appreciate a shirtless, fit guy as much as any other woman, but that scene felt so out of place in it's context and not Star Wars to me. I know we saw Anakin without a shirt in Ep. 3, but that was a totally different context then this. Neither scene was necessary, IMO.

 

Now Padme's spontaneous midrift exposure in Ep. 2, that was absolutely essential to the plot, her character development, the PT story arc as a whole, and, if I may say so, a very touching moment for me personally.


Note to wife: It's a joke! I promise! Ha ha!

 

Here's my petition.

https://www.change.org/p/star-wars-fans-make-rey-a-skywalker-already

 

This is hilarious.

 

Fair enough. Its difficult to follow who saw as a connection which might change things and who saw it as hot fan fic.

 

the whole point of TLJ was showing that vanity and pride are bad, that having some legendary name doesn't mean you'll do the right thing, and that Force is way bigger than just one family. making Rey connected to the Skywalkers diminishes the message of the film.

also, who's to say Kylo Ren wasn't lying? in my opinion he was telling the truth, but if i were you i wouldn't give up hope yet.