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Rey Solo

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by McDiarmid, Jul 23, 2017.

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3 Trilogies,3 great women,Grandmother,Mother,Daugther,Padme,Leia,Rey.

Poll closed Aug 29, 2018.
  1. Yes,I think its perfection

    17.2%
  2. Yes I like it

    13.0%
  3. I am not sure is it good or bad

    14.9%
  4. No,I want Luke had daughter

    18.1%
  5. No,I want Rey to be not in that familly

    41.9%
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  1. McDiarmid

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    Please note that in the Bloodline novel Han Solo returns to his freighter bussines before Kylo Ren's fall,it is the mark of end stage of desintegration of the Solo family.

    Pablo Hidalgo says in his book that Han abandoned family life and returned to freighter bussines because of the profound tragedy that hampered his attempts of making normal family life.

    But this tragedy is not his son Ben betrayal!Han abandones family life before,something eroded him over long period,entite family , but most notably him.

    So Bloodline book confirms this profound tragedy,so profound that entire family is speachless about it,happened before Kylo Ren fall and slowly eroded this family until breaking point,first one who break was Han disapointing all,most notably Ben.
     
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    i hate to correct you, but Han and Leia are still happily married in Bloodline.

    it's established that Han runs a business that keeps them apart more than they would like and Leia is busy with the Senate, but they are still a "family" so far as they are concerned. in fact you get the distinct impression that it's always been this way: Leia in office and Han racing ships and running his shipping business. it's very clear why neither of them had time for Ben, and Leia even remarks at some point that Ben had no interest in either of their careers.

    also Pablo Hidalgo has stated that Han and Leia broke up after their son became a murderer, which happened after the events of Bloodline.

    @McDiarmid: why do you "disagree" with me when i'm just stating plain facts. uncool dude.
    i'm not judging you or rating you.
     
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    I thought once as you do.
    But than this came to me.

    In the TFA Film:

    Leia: "That’s why I wanted him to train with Luke. I just never should have sent him away. That’s when I lost him. That’s when I lost you both."

    Han: "We both had to deal with in our own way."
    ......
    Leia says she lost Han when Ben left, yet their life together was supposedly upended by tragedy, not separation. Should Ben leaving to train with his uncle be considered a tragedy? No. I would conclude from this then that both Ben and Han left home in response to something else. The Solo family falling apart was a symptom, something "upended" their lives to cause it.

    And subtile read of Bloodline confirms it.They are married,they are in love,but something is eroding them,something that is not explainable by differences in careers and characters of Leia and Han,and,criticaly,something that can not justiffy Leia and Han and that is abandonment of Ben.Abandonment to the point of Kylo one day regarding Han was catastrophic father.Is this to what Han has fallen all by himself?Nothing can justiffy those horrible parents?

    Something untold from the past can.

    Bloodline dont mentioned it at all,since it happened.9 years before Bloodline and in Bloodline its just unpronouncable pain in the shadow of the past,that was taking its toll on everyone in its own personal way.
     
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    Han returned to smuggling after the tragedy. he was always in the shipping business after the war.
    he was a legitimate businessman with a wife and son. everyone even makes fun of him for it.

    the tragedy that broke them apart was the revelation of Leia's parentage and Ben's subsequent (resultant, we presume) fall.

    it's one thing to hope for this Rey Solo theory. it's another to just ignore facts. if you want to try to prove Rey is their kid, that's great, but Bloodline doesn't help you. Leia's only concern about her family is that Ben didn't really connect to other of them. there's no great strain, there's no Darkness, there's no grief. she only falls apart when she can't get a hold of Ben when the news about Darth Vader breaks.

    and who is there to comfort her? her husband, Han. from whom she is neither estranged nor has a strained relationship.

    the "tragedy" is Ben's fall to the Darkside.
    like i said, Hidalgo confirmed this when he said Han and Leia broke up when Ben became a murderer, which happened after the events of Bloodline.

    for whatever reason you have mixed up the timeline.
    • Leia worked in the Senate, Han ran a legitimate shipping business and raced ships.
    • Ben left home to train with Luke
    • Leia was outed as Darth Vader's daughter.
    • Ben fell to the Darkside and became a murderer; Luke went into hiding.
    • Han and Leia split up.
    • Leia started the Resistance to fight the First Order.
    • Han returned to a life of illegal smuggling.
    that's the order of events so far as we know them.
    it's pretty straight forward.
     
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    Leia clearly defines point of reference which can lead us to clue.

    We can also(why shouldn't we?)presume we dont know every detail of plot.And we don't.

    Lea retrospectively defines the moment of breakdown of family ,which is when she send Ben to Luke.She says she Lost Ben,and Han when she send Ben to Luke.
    "That's when I lost you both".

    Please note that to this day we do not know true reasons,circumstances and exact time when Leia send Ben to Luke.

    However in the Bloodline Ben is 23, and he is with Luke for how long?Yes,already for years. Years!

    And jet, Leia says she lost Ben and Han when she send Ben to Luke.

    Which was years before Bloodline.She already lost Ben and Han years before Bloodline.
     
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    she "lost" them in the sense that it opened the door to the disaster that was coming.
    she didn't literally lose them.

    she's admitting to Han in that moment that she made a mistake by sending Ben away.
    that it's what precipitated everything else.
    if she had kept Ben home, protected him herself, let him grow up with his father, told Han the truth about Snoke, told Ben the truth about Vader, maybe it could have turned out differently.

    that's what she's saying; that from that moment, she doomed their family and didn't even know it.
    but she understands it now.
     
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    Your bring great points FN but MC also hits hard,I sense "smoke"...
    I read Bloodline,and it is interesting thing that this book makes some details from the past deliberately unspoken.
    For instance,my own opinion,judge yourself please,,..this:
    Millennium Falcon is missing.
    Nothing,almost not a word about how,when it was stolen, and no emotions from Han about that lost ship.

    Maybe this I say is convoluted but Han should talk more about his loved Millenium F.

    Millenium is near Rey on Jakku.
    Is it same "untold" event MC is talking about?
     
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    i used to suspect Ben stole it first. but i've come to seriously doubt that.
    also, we don't really know how long it's been missing. just "years".

    we can take Rey's chain of events at face value (that it was stolen by the Irving Boys), and which seems to be confirmed by Han ("who stole it from me.").
    or, we can spin other theories for which we have no facts.
     
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    If anything, Rey's abandonment will be connected to Luke, not Han or Leia. That's why TLJ is about them.
     
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    This is so meta!

    I compiled many thoughts ,articles and read many forums to built my picture for this case, but this you said is not a smoke but a cracking cannon.

    We step in to a larger word with this find.This will be long remembered.

    Falcon is near Rey,no word about Falcon in Bloodline either!

    How simple jet genial breaktrough.
    Thank you .
     
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    Just my imagination:
    Rey was abducted by a criminal organisation such as Amaxine warriors,by the order of Snoke in order to weaken the Skywalker-Solo bloodline and Luke's project of New Jedi.How did Rey ended on Jakku who knows,but abduction failed,however everyone believe Rey is dead.Falcon is missing for years before Bloodline to it could fit scenario of abduction.

    I dream of greatest novel one day:Rey of Jakku.
     
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    Yes,Han and Leia, despite Rey's biologic parents,will never came to be with her in the sense of family reunion.
    Han is already dead,and Leia unfortuntely follows.
    It is Luke that will stay for her,and he will be her spiritual father at the end.How prophetic from Maz Kanata.
    How unifying for entire family!
    Sad,but honorable destiny.
    Han and Leia will always live trough Rey,and Ben to,who is not abandoned.No,this family has not been abandoned by the Force ,by the fact that Rey,instead death,stayed preserved on Jakku as a New Hope for all of them, and for the Galaxy.
    And Luke will find his fulfillment,giving to Rey what Ben Kenobi has given to him,and what his own father dreamed but never couldn't give to his children.

    "Its all about family." Carrie Fisher

     
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    People drift from Star Wars "meta"and fly into uncharted lands,asking whata..?

    " meta "hits back self evidently.

    Its all about family.

    "The Force is strong in my family..
    ...Your have that power to Rey..."

     
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    You got that Rey being Solo and Leia's daughter is going straight nowhere ?

    Solo is dead, Fisher is dead too, there will be no reunification of those three whatever happens in the next movies.

    So where does that theory leads ?

    What is the point of destroying the EU to make it again 2 years later ?

    Just asking ... It would make TFA as a blatant swindle and moreover there will be no interactions between the supposed family ever again.

    Is that professionnal writing or please some fans who think it's ... cute ?
     
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    You're all forgetting - if Rey is Leia and Hans daughter she won't be a Solo she'll be a Skywalker. If you think about it, Rey can't be a Solo, ONLY a Skywalker. Apparently thats how it works.
     
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    Leia is calling herself Leia Organa not Leia Skywalker ...

    If Rey is Han and Leia's daughter, she'll be Rey Solo Organa. Deal with it.
     
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    No, she'll be Rey Skywalker - duh!!!!! Do I need explain how family works. (in case its not clear, I'm mocking the argument being made in another thread cause I think its funny).
     
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    Always a pleasure to read your imputs ....

    That's all you can do mocking other people while bringing nothing to the table.
     
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    Exactly what Maz Kanata says to Rey.Her parents will never be there for her,it is the past,her destiny is not to be united with her parents...they die...but someone is waiting in the future for her ,someone obviously linked with her parents,...Luke.
     
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    Your'e wrong, but as long as you enjoy it thats all that matters
     
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