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Rey Solo

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by McDiarmid, Jul 23, 2017.

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3 Trilogies,3 great women,Grandmother,Mother,Daugther,Padme,Leia,Rey.

Poll closed Aug 29, 2018.

  1. Yes,I think its perfection

    37 vote(s)
    17.2%

  2. Yes I like it

    28 vote(s)
    13.0%

  3. I am not sure is it good or bad

    32 vote(s)
    14.9%

  4. No,I want Luke had daughter

    39 vote(s)
    18.1%

  5. No,I want Rey to be not in that familly

    90 vote(s)
    41.9%
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    I see. Its only the opposite where it helps your argument, and its true where it help your argument.......Well why didn't I see that before.
     
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    Just repeating structure of dream.

    Han dies, didnt died, else is true(Hoth)
    Chewy slave in cage, he is free, but else true(Kashyyyk)
    Ben fails to shut down tractor beam, and they all die- , he did, they will escape, but else is true(Death Star)
    Luke lost amnogst stars never find his goal--he will, but else is true
    Leia dies giving birth to a-CHILDREN- she will not die, else is true.
     
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    I'm having difficulty in understanding your point here.

    Leia dreams of things that did and didn't happen to her and those she loved. The birth sequence is exactly what happened with Padme - in both dying in childbirth and unexpectedly having two children. It's clearly about her mother.
     
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    The structure of dream is clear.

    Wending deliberately put Padme's conotation to cover true meaning.
    Leia dreams of herself giving birth to a children, not a single child.
     
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    No its not. Its "clear" when you just decide "these things" are areal and "these things" are reverse.
     
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    It's highly doubtful that Wendig even knows Rey's origins. Even more doubtful that he wrote this paragraph about Leia's dreams with your specific parameters in mind.
    --- Double Post Merged, Oct 2, 2017, Original Post Date: Oct 2, 2017 ---
    @McDiarmid

    She dreams of Han, dead in the snow. - He died on SKB - a snowy planet.

    She dreams of poor Chewie in a cage somewhere. - The backstory for Chewie is likely that he was in a cage at some point.

    She dreams of herself on a table, dying as her child - no, children - are born. -     This is exactly what happened to Padme.

    Then comes a vision of Luke, lost among the stars, searching for something and failing, never returning. - Both true and false.

    She dreams of being lost in a forest - She was lost in a forest on Endor.

    and then being lost inside the Death Star - she and Luke and Han are fleeing Stormtroopers, trying desperately to get back to the Falcon after Obi-Wan powers down the tractor beam controls - It's true, all of it.

    but she knows the dread truth : he failed, he died, and the ship is still anchored there, and even if they could find their way out of the tangle of passages they'll never escape...'" -     untrue.


    Not much of a pattern there...
     
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    she say its illusions- oposite.not true

    Wendig described Snoke like a painting in his trilogy. I am in making preparation for Tashu epiphany thread( hawe work to do). Snoke is explained, Rey is not explained but her parents are.

    Wendng trilogy is central of new canon, like a gospel, he did the book consulting all, Abrams, Hidalgo, Kashdan, Kennedy....

    Of course there will be counter productive to be to obvious, but one day whoever will read Aftermath trilogy--there is, authors signature of epiphany.

    I see I lost many here, never mind, you all will see.
     
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    I don't get your point. You say the opposite is true (or whatever) but the childbirth scene both describes the 2 children (you hope for) but the mothers death. If this is about Leia's childbirth, well, she didn't die, did she?
     
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    Illusion doesn't = opposite.

    And as I said, wouldn't opposite = she had 1 child?

    I don't think you can call anything that isn't a movie gospel without Lucasfilm telling us that.
     
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    Illusion means opposite to reality.
    In my language though (Croatian).

    Illusion is she dies during giving birth, children are not illusion in any way.
     
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    It doesn't mean that in English. http://www.dictionary.com/browse/illusion - and as far as I know the book was written in English. You can't claim it means that when it wasn't written way.

    Again you're ASSUMING thats the line. What if the whole thing is the illusion? What if CHILDREN is also part of the illusion? There is nothing in the text you've posted that indicates children is real why the rest is fake.
     
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    Or it's true that a woman died giving birth to twins. False is that woman was Leia, because it was her mother.
     
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    We're also having to take Leia's assessment as fact. The point is that to her it is an illusion but she is likely misreading it/playing down her powers.
    Han does die "in snow". Chewie was probably once caged. Her mother died whilst giving birth, unexpectedly, to twins. Leia was once lost in a forest. Luke does disappear into the stars.

    It's just a mixture of visions and dreams that have some truth to them. No more than that.
     
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    Children are true in any way If she dreams Padme yes, but she says she dreams herself.
    What is illusion is that she dies.
     
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    the whole thing could be the illusion. You're drawing a line down the middle of the dream because doing so confirms what you want to see.
     
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    Out of curiosity, how do you think Leia remembered her mother when Luke didn't?
     
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    It is a dream about illusions of (false) death outcomes. Everything went (in Reality) fine in all chapters of Leias dream. Han survived Hoth, Chewy was freed, Ben shut down tractor beam on death Star, Luke will not be lost amongst stars and will find ihis goal(Jedi temple).

    And there is no one here that can persuade me to believe Rey indeed,in this context, dreamed Padme who realy died giving birth to children is realy in dream. She says she dreams herself, giving birth to children(plural),with surprise conotation, and than elemnt of death outcome, which is false by logic of entire dream.
     
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    so wouldn't it follow that she didn't give birth to children, but 1 child?
     
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    Twins would be a mess. As has already been pointed out, Kylo and Rey aren't the same age.

    Basically, i'd imagine we'd have to have a new character for Rey's (or Kylo's) twin, and at that point it would be obvious that we were featuring twins just because it was part of the OT.
     
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    But dies on SKB - also snowy planet.


    Didn't say he wasn't. She just sees him in a cage.

    Indeed. So it's a vision that didn't come to pass - or maybe a metaphor for how the 3 of them are forever trapped in the battle vs good and evil?

    And Wendig knows all this?

    Leia, you mean...
    Can Leia not be mistaken? I mean, if she is seeing the childbirth from her POV, would she know it isn't actually her mother?
    --- Double Post Merged, Oct 2, 2017, Original Post Date: Oct 2, 2017 ---
    Again, @McDiarmid - how does Leia remember her mother and Luke doesn't?
     
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