Rey Solo

Bad writing by Lucas?

 

Yeah, the "Leia remembering her mother thing" stems from what was essentially poor planning. Copies of the original films novelizations reference that the twins' mother was eventually hidden from Vader instead of dying right in childbirth, so Leia could have remembered her in that timeline.

Since ROTS, we know that to not be the case. Whether you subscribe to the idea that she's remembering Breha, she's seeing Force visions, or she was just a kid and remembers things that didn't necessarily happen (as is common for kids) but the new canon doesn't provide a 100% clear answer on this yet. All we can say for sure is that Leia and Luke are twins, so it's possible that's all she saw.

 

Ha! True. But salvageable if they, for instance, write a book where Leia reveals some dreams she had that describe her mother giving birth?

 

I wouldn't say so.

The only way to save is to retcon the end of RotS and have Padme go with Leia and Bail and she actually dies (maybe for real reasons this time?) when Leia is 3 years old or something

 

Nah, unnecessary. Leia does only say that she remembers "images" and "feelings". Makes perfect sense in regard to her having visions through the Force. Had she said she remembered this one time they played at the park together, then yes, we'd need a retcon to fix it. But these type of memories in the context of Star Wars and the Force make perfect sense. Wendig fleshing it out in his novel works well.

 

thats what your "memories" from 1-2-3 years old are. immages and feelings.

 

It's a pretty vague term. I could see it representing Force visions, too.

 

Depending on what 'truth' Bail told Leia. It might have been a nanny that she's recalling or even Bail's wife if she died young as well. Basically I'm saying her vague feeling could be a mixture of the force and confusing memories of a young child.

It would be cool if Rey was a Skywalker IMO, with the force now stronger in the female side of the family than in the male, that of Kylo. Problem is though is that its shown her manipulate the force with ease with little to no training, that we know of, since after all she could of been shown as a youngling. Otherwise they'll have to go the rebirth of the Chosen One...or such like.

 

Except Luke doesn't say do you know anything about her Her asks if she remembers her

Leias a little bit - as in she remembers Padme a little bit not "i've seen her, I dreamed her" but she REMEMBERES her - she died when I was very young. Most people would say "she died giving birth to me" in the circumstance we see in RotS. Leia says she was very beautiful, kind but sad. These are character traits, not a discription of an image you'd get from a vision.

 

Right, but I think the general argument that people use here is that Leia had these visions, and then may have simply "remembered" them as memories of her mother. Kind of like if you had a dream that you confused with a real event.

 

we also see in ESB that its not easy to have force visions - Luke only does it when he is in hard training with Yoda and Rey's are triggered by a lightsaber. So young Leia..........just had them? And neither Luke or Rey mistake them for memories. Even young children can tell the difference between a dream and reality. Even if Leia couldn't, this would require Bail to lie to her about the death of her mother for her to make sense of it. Why would he do that? So she can believe some fake memory that never happened was real?

Its a lame way to explain away bad writing.

 

False (illusion) in entire Leia's dream consistently is only death/faliure of characters,not characters.

This text definitely presents possibility Leia had visions of herself giving birth to more than one child.

It is debatable,sure it is,but,why would Wendig put this vision exactly like that?- surely cocqueting with more children,why this Child- NO(!)- Children, if Lucas arts decided its only Ben?Why teasing?

 

Rey got one from simply touching a lightsaber.

And yeah, I think the argument is just that she had them. I'm sure they weren't nearly as focused or disciplined as Yoda's, but I don't think it's that far fetched.
Obviously it's a retcon made to match the PT and OT, but I think it's acceptable enough for a fictional universe.

 

Leia didn't have a lightsaber to touch. And Rey didn't think she lived those experiences and knew those peopel.

 

Anakin once dreamed he would become a Jedi.

 

And Leia was a baby at the time... seems like she'd probably be a little less cognizant of her own consciousness than Rey would be as a young adult...

And you're getting more specific than you can really support, though.

Are lightsabers the only thing that could catalyze a vision?

Frankly, force visions are still a pretty mysterious part of the force, and we know little about them or how they could be caused.

 

my nephew once dreamed he was a fire fighter....

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Prove she was a baby and not a toddler when it happened.

And again, did Bail lie to Leia about how her mother died?

It would seem that one needs either 1) The ability to connect to and use the force, something baby leia wouldn't have OR an 2) an object to connect you to it. If something wasn't needed to trigger it then there is no reason why only Leia would have had visiosn of her mother and why Rey only had the vision when she touched the lightsaber.

 

This is getting silly.
The point is that Leia had "memories of her mother".
This is the Star Wars universe. Within it exists a powerful energy field that provides certain people with great powers.
Leia is one such person. Therefore the dialogue from the OT that was written before the PT, can be rectified by suggesting that she had visions of her real mother provided through the Force. They don't need to reshoot the PT to deal with it.

 

Either way, even toddlers also have issues like this. Ever hear of imaginary friends? Ever hear a kid swear he saw something (like a ghost, or a dragon, etc) that obviously couldn't have existed?

Heck, I have a distinct memory of seeing a buffalo in the wild in my area when I was about five, despite the fact that they're definitely not native here. Kids have weird memories, friend.

It would seem, perhaps, but you're trying to put the Force in a box. I'm not one to think the Force is some completely mystical thing capable of any plot breaking context, but like I said- we simply don't know enough about force visions right now to make those kinds of assumptions.

Thank you. That's an extremely reasonable way to look at this.