Rogue One Reviews (With Spoilers)

Krennic: I did good, right? I did amamzing! I'm the best! I impressed you, right?! (Please don't kill me)

Vader: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO. Keep up the work. Now leave before I kill you.

 

Bail stated he was going to send Leia to pick up Obi-Wan.

Upon thinking about it, I'm not sure they said that Admiral Raddatz (sp?) was "on his way" or "in hyperspace". But we do know the entire fleet comes out of hyperspace at one time, so we can assume they entered hyperspace together and the Admiral was assembling the fleet, waiting for ships to join up, presumably above Yavin 4, since we don't see any ships above the moon when it shows up in the film.

Does anybody remember what specifically was said about what the Admiral was doing? I'm just assuming he was waiting for the assembly of the fleet, since they wouldn't keep all their ships together at once unless necessary, and the fleet comes out of hyperspace together en masse.

 

I enjoyed the movie. The last hour was great. The Vader cutting through Rebels was worth the price of admission, as well as the space battles. My only issue was the movie felt like it was pieced together scene by scene in the first hour. It was jumping for one place to another place way too often. This movie was setup to be different but Star Wars was always about people and they didn't really develop any character in a real satisfying way. Yes some characters were written and performed well but I'm talking about development. Maybe they didn't want to put the time in because of how it was going to end or they just overloaded on number of characters.

 

Not specifacally, but I've seen the movie three times now. The scene is something like this: A surveillance man at Yavin hears there are rebel presence at Scarif. He drops his headset and runs after Mon Mothma, "senator, senator - there are rebels at Scarif". Mon Mothma: "I need to get in contact with the blue mon calamari admiral (to discuss things)". - "He's already gone - he wanted to fight!".

After that all pilots are ordered to join the battle. This is when the droids have their scene.

I my opinion Tantive IV is at the wrong place. I know Bail ordered Antilles to pick up Obi-Wan, so why did he go to Scarif? So: In order to get the whole ending sequence to work with EP IV we first need to imagine Tantive IV coming late into battle, then dock to the disabled mon calamari cruiser when all other rebel ships have retreated to Yavin, then enter hyper space to Tatooine to pick up Obi-Wan and get him to Alderaan for some reason, instead of joining the rest of the fleet at Yavin and deliever the plans. It's not making any sense.

 

You're still assuming that the Admiral's ship was already on its way, when that wasn't specified. He's 'gone' from Yavin base, but what he's doing may still be assembling the fleet when Blue, Red, and Gold (ahhh! so cool) squadrons had to: (1) fuel up, (2) load droids & pilots, (3) take off and meet with the Admiral's ship, and then other capital ships had to meet up.

If they all get to Scarif at the same time, its a good bet that they took off into hyperspace together, which wouldn't have been at the time the Admiral had "gone" but a short period of time after during which the corvette could have scooped up the droids and docked with Raddatz.

There's just a timing problem, but there is time because the fleet, I assume, jumped to hyperspace together, and the fleet wasn't completely assembled when the Admiral left Yavin because the fleet's fighters were still sitting on Yavin...with the droids and assumably, Leia's ship.

 

Ok, so the arrival at Scarif could be explained. It's far-fletched (because that stupid and totally unnecessary droid scene) and not very obvious, but ok.

So I imagine Tantive IV and cap Antilles stays to help in battle, in other words prioritize the battle over picking up Obi-Wan. Then at some point they decide to dock to the cruiser, right? Assumably when it's disabled, because they know the cruiser recieved the plans and can't get back. Then please explain why Tantive IV jumps to Tatooine instead of Yavin like the rest of the fleet? Wouldn't it be wiser to drop the plans at Yavin first? I mean, they have already ignored orders from Bail and made the plans first prio.

 

Because if the Empire tracks them to Yavin as they did Tatooine............game over. Or if they jumped to Alderaan....same deal.

Leia's only other option was to get help from the one Jedi her father said they could trust, who was on Tatooine.

 

...but they DID track them to Yavin..

 

Admit that this explanation requires a great deal of imagination and almost religious faith in these writers. I still argue it's bad writing.

 

Sorry, not so much a review, more a question here, and I couldn't find anywhere else to ask it.
I guess we have to assume that Jiang Wen's (Baze Malbus) supposed foot-in-mouth comments during Star Wars Celebration in London during the Rogue One panel where he seemed to admit he was an Imperial agent who makes amends were written out the script during the extensive reshoots? Or was it cunning redirection and a red herring?

 

Eventually, yeah, after Kenobi dies and Alderaan is toast.

Nope. It's all there in the plot. If they are tracked directly to Yavin, they're toast. Leia dies, Luke is farming water and Han is getting laid....well, that's cool but the other part sucks. The timing is there because of the arrival time of the fleet all at once. The only imagination required is the time it would take to assemble the Rebel fleet. If they would have said that the Admiral had already assembled the fleet and went to Scarif without the Alliance starfighters....which would have been suicide...then you're right, its sloppy editing.

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Yes!

I try to remind people about Shakespeare. When you first read it, its gibberish. But then your teacher says to mind the metaphors and consider the plot and motivations of the characters and then.....low and behold, it starts to make sense. You don't necessarily have to like it, but there's an imagination there to appreciate. Same thing applies here. Give it a thought, which is why we're here on a massive online forum, and it all gets more exciting.

 

No idea but he definitely was one of the guardians of the whills along with Chirrut .

 

Ahhh, I see, thank you very much for informing me.

 

Maybe I misremembered as I haven't gone back and checked the panel video, but I was pretty certain he blabbed quite a lot with Donnie Yen looking increasingly pained next to him. Otherwise write it off as false memory syndrome I was on the edge of my seat the whole last third of the film waiting for the betrayal so it kept me in the zone either way!

Ah, here's the text, it seems I did misremember:

"After a charmingly goofy bit of babbling in broken English about how Baze "has a gun, he has a huge gun, he has a weapon, the weapon’s very huge," Jiang talked about his relationship with his blind pal.

“He and me was a partner and he believe of course, believe in Force," Jiang said. "But my character don’t believe Force at that time. But I pretend all of them, not them, just them, to do very, very big mission. I cannot say that. And when this guy dead, I do something better. Maybe I believe, by my action, he’s thinker, I’m doer.""

http://www.vulture.com/2016/07/jiang-wen-may-have-spoilered-rogue-one.html

 

You might be getting confused about something where one of the R1 was a betrayer or something like that.

 

He talked about him & Chirrutt being involved in a big battle before Gwendoline Christie/Captain Phasma had to hush him.

 

Yeah I found the transcribed quote from Jiang Wen, I think I just read too much into it, either way it was good!

 

I like the space fight but I just felt in all it was a story that, to me, should of been a novel. to film 2 hours of a story with an outcome we knew about 40 years ago? i was alil unsure about R1 when it came out cause while i do understand Disney's venture on SW as a galaxy and branching off to make films away from the actual story, it hurt to watch R1 cause there was no excitement that I was looing forward to. Everyone im guesssing love the Vader scenes, to me just reminded me of 'Lords of the SITH'. The baca tank was an addon to me cause if your in it you had to recover from a significant damage but i can kinda understand since vader is in that suit all damn time so it was like a SPA treatment I guess. The ending scenes was way to easy for Mr. Edwards, He use the phrase K.I.S.S.(hope yalll know what that means) the whole hope usage just got me to watch ANH when I got home. and with the begining of ANH every character basically turned 360 as far as how they were in R1, Vader ripping and killing to a hand choke, Leia lil achevement 'we have hope' line to being alil ruthless 'diplomatic mission' is simple.

The point of SW is to invest in characters, in R1 we dont get that. maybe thats how Mr. Edwards wanted it but the film, not the story of how they got it matters. Once they told Bail about his "JEDI FRIEND" the movie ended. to me they should of made the movie in ANH. they should of had the crew a find the plans and how to destroy it. not all together before a ANH. they could of beam the plans of the the death star and while ANH was going on, in the background of it had the rebels find saw and galen and have them tell about the lil flaw in the death star so they can tell them about it fight before the end of ANH. you could of had Vader, like he did and find the princess, force choke a few people, meet with the emperor, find out there was a flaw, find the rebels crew with the possiblity of fighting the SW:R crew(kanan.Ahsoka,Ezra) (to make it more interesting and killing of the last know JEDI which falls into the OT storyline) cause Vader then finds out about Obi-Wan, kills him, then hops in a fighter to stop them from destroying he reactor. Then they could of kept a few of the R1 crew alive to have Jyn in a (option film like she was contracted) with a young Luke or Han during that time.

Thats my story and view be it doesnt matter cause it wont happen. its just an opinion base on how i watned it to be. they should of just added Obi-Wan scene where he felt something in the force calling for him. hmm... not...

 

Did anyone notice that the Hammerhead cruiser and its crew die when the Stardestroyers crash into the shield gate. They rammed the stardestroyer but knew they were going to die, now that is dedication. Or that Rebel when the commando captain said: "we have to turn the switch", immediately there was this soldier who said "I'm going", charged forward and died. The rebellion just got very interesting!