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SPECULATION Rolling predictions thread for Andor

Discussion in 'Andor' started by Martoto, Sep 29, 2022.

  1. Martoto

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    My first predictive thought came last night regarding Karn. No wonder as they just dangle his demotion and return home in a couple of scenelets that are unrelated to the narrative of the episode except for the location. After this and the conference scenes dropping very unsubtle call backs to the same tropes of disinterested administration and bureaucracy as in the seminal police drama, it just became clear to me. "This is The Wire!"

    So on that note, I foresee Karn's story to perhaps be something similar to Officer Presbelewski in that series. A slightly cretinous gung ho screw up who ultimately acquires a bit of honour by being compelled to find a different vocation.

    What's your ideas?
     
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    Interesting take. Yeah, Karn's arc is strange, he seemed so focused until his mission collapsed leading to his corporation's takeover by the Empire.

    However I still see potential for Karn, as an Imperial Officer.

    Haven't seen him shoot a blaster yet, though, need to make sure his aim is up to Imperial standards....

    I still have no idea how they are going to tie Mothma, Andor, Luthen and other Rebel "founders" together. When they do that, it will be awesome.

    I am kind of disappointed in one aspect.....I was hoping that this series may shed light on the first incident that sparked the rise of Rebel cells throughout the Galaxy.....hoping that maybe their mission to Ferrix would spark a massive uprising there....
     
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    I wonder if the series will go to Canto Bight.

    I dread to think how people will react when young Din Djarin appears in a scene. The Andorlorian.
     
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    Yeah his story could go either way. He seems pretty naive so he could be swayed to resent the Empire or he could double down to try and get his position back.

    I think the show is trying to show that there isn't just one bad thing that stirs up rebellion. That it's accumulative. Saw Gerrera's rebels have been fighting since the day the Clone Wars ended.
     
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    Syril Karn is a bit of an enigma. He has started as an ambitious and somewhat incapable officer, only to be sacked as soon as the series properly began (i.e. Ep.1-3 are prologue episodes). This only happens because the writers want it too, and they definitely have a plan for Karn, but what? We know, from one of the released promo pictures that Syril has a sit-down chat with his mum, who will probably pressure him onto his future career path. The character will NOT return to the exact same situation and position as before, because there wouldn't be any point in writing that. More likely, he will quit the corporate sector and join the Empire in some way (possibly as an agent, officially or unofficially, for Lt. Dedra Meero), or he might somehow join the Rebel fight (although it's hard to see any plausible motivation he might have to do so).

    My guess: Syril Karn will join the Empire (or a subsidiary group) and end up in a position of power at the scientists' work-camp prison glimpsed in the trailers. There, he will represent the surface threat for Andor once our hero arrives, and Andor will have to dodge Karn several times to maintain his cover. Karn will eventually recognize him and act on it, possibly f***ing up again or, having learned from past mistakes, takes the information to his superiors, which reignites his career.


    Prediction #2: We will see KX-series security droids in season 1, including the pre-reprogrammed K2-SO (with a different voice or no voice at all).
     
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    Losing his job might mean his mother losing her apartment. That could lead him to lose faith in the Empire and so on.

    Cassian did let him live. It's unclear at the moment how Karn feels about that.

    But you're right it's just as likely that he's dumb enough to enlist in the Navy or the ISB in some capacity in order to make up for his failure. He may be approached by Dedra due to her being denied access to the Ferrix report.
     
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    The Reva way ?
    Reva, former jedi padawan, joined the Dark Side and the Empire to hunt, find, and kill Vader.
    So could act Syril Karn : join the rebellion only to hunt, find and have a revenge on Cassian Andor. Because you know, Cassian is the key to all his defeats.
     
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    So you're pretty well on-track with this theory, although not so much in a position of power... Quite the opposite, but he seems more than willing and able to misuse his resources to further his own end. Him keeping the Imperial holo-device with Cassian's profile had to mean something. I think Dedra is going to approach him about Ferrix and find him useful, recruiting him to the ISB in some capacity. Everything about him screams Imperial Officer.
     
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    Here's a fun prediction that occurred to me last night when sleep eluded me. So, it has been widely speculated that uncle Harlow is someone already established in canon, and it dawned on me a pretty cool possibility...

    What if Harlow is a certain Imperialist who will survive the fall of the Empire, who at some point will earn (or steal) an Imperial medallion (perhaps taking the credit for some critical work that his nephew, Syril Karn was really responsible for), and who will eventually rise to a position of power in the vacuum left by the Empire's collapse? What if Harlow is actually the hitherto unnamed...

    ...The Client (with Werner Herzog doing a made-up-to-look-15-years-younger cameo?) I'd absolutely love that, me :cool:
     
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    That's a fun and interesting theory! The general idea would be a great device to tie the Andor Series to the greater universe while keeping the current formula of limited "fan service". Maybe The Mandolorian S3 will name drop some characters we're meeting in Andor... Let's call them reverse backdoor Easter eggs.
     
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    Not actually a theory as such -- e.i., I present no hypothesis argued by possible evidence -- but rather, it is just a random fun thought.

    Perhaps I just desperately want to see WH again, heh heh.
     
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    Weel, for a half-prediction, you'll deserve a half-ration.
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    There's still time to go ;) I maintain that we will see K2-S0 pre-reprogramming this season :D
     
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    This is why I allowed you a half-portion, despite Unkar argued for only a quarter-portion. :D:D:D There is still hope.
     
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    Had a suspicion for a couple of weeks but much stronger now. Blevin is a spy. Possibly he is Luthen's inside man. My first thought was Partagaz was the spy, but Blevin's actions fit the role better.
    1. He fought Dedra getting access to the data on Ferrix.
    2. He falsified the report and denied the Corpos to review it before forcing their signatures.
    3. The Capt. He appointed to Prefect on Ferrix was clearly incompetent.

    There's definitely a spy in that meeting room and Luthen definitely has an inside man, likely at the ISB. 1+1=2
     
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    One of Dedra's men seemed to have a moment just after they spoke to Karn.

    I wonder too if it's a case of twice bitten for Syrill now.
     
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    I think Karn will become a Rebel. Maybe a spy inside the Empire. Maybe he runs into Ahsoka and becomes a Fulcrum Agent like Kallus. Eventually help Cassian. Maybe give his life doing so.
     
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    I like this idea. I just wonder if it's not a bridge too far since he seems almost fanatically committed to law and order. He has an elitist air about him whenever he has talked about 'common citizens' and he seems personally offended by the Holonet news of the Aldhani heist.
    I just don't see him surviving season one.
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    I entertained this idea briefly, maybe that Karn could even BE Kallus. The main issue with the comparison is that Kallus was a bad-ass rough and tumble soldier. Karn is a boot-licker with zero combat ability. He strives for attention and admiration. He would much rather have authority granted to him than to earn trust and respect. Clearly traits of an Imperial not a Rebel.
     
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    Yeah he might not become a rebel. But resentment at being swept aside and seeing more corruption might make him flip out and do something drastic.
     
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    Interesting theory. I see his actions as another smug Empire officer looking to expand his authority and rise in the ranks. So far he has no axe to grind with the Empire. Not impossible, but you'd need more backstory on Blevin in the show for me to seriously consider it.
     
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