Rose's line and kiss...

I like the line, wish they hadn't done the kiss though, I never felt a romantic connection between the two so just felt a bit weird, for me the line without the kiss would have had more power.

Also kind of wish Rose had died at this point, it would have added even more weight to the line and given Finn interesting motivations going into 9.

 

So?

 

No hope.

 

Yes, I agree with this.

I think the Finn-Rose kiss was romantic on Rose's part--but this is a romance meant for little kids to relate to. She idolizes him, she's disillusioned/mad at him, they work together and learn stuff, she realizes he's grown and he really is a hero deep down after his speech in the Resistance cave, she saves him because she loves him and seals it with a sweet kiss. When Finn tenderly covers her with a blanket it's even sweeter. I'm not sure her feelings are reciprocated, but Finn does care about her. It's meant to be sweet, innocent, light and uncomplicated, like a first crush. Not like Ben and Rey.

 

I just can't see how some here can defend Rose's line, given how completely stupid it is in the context of the movie :
_ Finn was saving the Resistance, Rose put tem all in great danger.
_ the movie glorified this type Sacrifice twice : with Holdo and Luke.
_ Finn was already all about saving loved ones : what do you think he did in TFA ? So how is that a "lesson" he needs to learn now ?
_ worse his arc starts off with him getting shamed for trying to save his friend, and now he gets to "learn" that's the most important thing in the world ? This line just turns Finn's entire arc into a complete nonsense !

And cherry on top of the cake : it came off as overly patronizing, which is a recuring problem in this aberration of a pairing.

 

I took it as double-meaning. "Saving what you love" means both Finn romantically and the Resistance/goodness in general.

But even though I agree with the sentiment, every time I watch it and she says "Not fighting what we hate, saving what we love," my only thought is: saving what you love? You mean like ALL THOSE PEOPLE IN THE BUNKER WHO ABOUT TO GET BLOWN UP BECAUSE YOU STOPPED FINN?

 

Well, I just thought the humor was the worst part of the movie. Most of the humor was almost breaking the fourth wall, as if the characters were talking directly to the audience instead of each other. When I first saw the movie I was thinking of Spaceballs, and after seeing other people's reviews online it seems I'm far from the only person noticing this.

 

Rose and Finn together it was for me a nice team fighting the bad guys.Rose is a technician and she knows how to break the tracking "thing" to escape from the bad guys.Rose is a TRUE rebel fighter.She stops people from leaving the resistance in her post.She is like a guard BUT much more.Her line is a direct message to ALL of us...."We fight and save what we love...."I believe that in SW we had seen a lot of moments when people do things to save someone.When Luke save Leia in the ANH and went to rescue her from prison from Darth Vader hands.Sometimes I believe that the biggest POWER inside the FORCE is LOVE.That kiss that Rose give to Finn is NOT a romantic one.Is a wake up kiss for Finn to understand better how the rebels fight.They fight for the LOVE for the peace in the galaxies and for EVERYONE who lives in it.Star Wars tittle is the fact of a real thing.A War against people that don't believe in LOVE and peace.The bad guys don't like peace and LOVE.What better example when in the ANH they shot Aderan....Princess Leia planet.People who live in peace and love.Without the jedi the will not be balance in The FORCE.The balance we are taking is LOVE.Love is what hold things together.Is like a man love a woman.Is Love(The Force)that hold them together.Can you see it my friend?LOVE is the answer in most movie and in real life.Without saving the ones we love life means nothing to us.Is like GOD love for us....

 

Look : this line might be inspirationnal in a vacuum, but Rian completely and utterly fails to deliver it properly. It is clearly put at the wrong time and delivered to the wrong character.

It might have been a great lesson for Poe (since he does show little concern for his or his comrads safety early on), in a situation where the character clearly shows "unnecessary roughness" (whereas Finn was already saving lives).

But, where Rian placed it, it just comes off as both stupid and useless.

 

It's a plot hole. How do we KNOW Rose even knows how to kiss? HMMMM?!?!?!

 

The way I saw it was, in TFA Finn was only about saving Rey. "I'm just here get Rey". He didn't care about the Resistance or Han or Chewie or anybody but Rey. He lied to get to go back to Starkiller and find her. He attacks Kylo because he just saw Rey get slammed into a tree. The spirit of a guy who's got it bad for Rey.

In TLJ, Finn picks up right where he left off. All about keeping Rey from danger. Rose was a necessary character to make Finn go on a journey that would help him grow. She showed him there are other people in this fight that have lost loved ones. She showed him the galaxy from a different perspective on Canto Bight. By the end of TLJ, Finn is ready to sacrifice himself for the cause. He's ready to go fight Kylo again to help Luke. Finn proclaims himself Rebel Scum when fighting Phasma. Finns journey also helps show Poe that some missions are not worth it if means costing too many lives. That's why Poe wants the Speeders to fall back. Finn does to Poe what Poe did to Leia. So there is more journey for Finn, but he's on track to be a true Rebel hero.

As for Rose. I say she did her job in this story. An offscreen death would have more weight on Finn than keeping up this infatuation.

 

Rose was an unnecessary character riding off of finn's arc totally watering down where finn's arc was going. He knew about the horrors of the galaxy during the TFA he expressed to rey how he was taken from his family and raised to kill and how he didn't want to kill for the first order. He broke away from the brainwashed conditioning and he should have been the awakening that snoke and kylo ren felt. Rose character takes that AWAKENING away from finn's arc sabotaging his significance greatly.

 

This makes no sense. The Force awakening had nothing to do with Finn. You are just giving us what you wanted TFA to be about.

 

Finn was the first one you see in the force awakening who awoke when he didn't kill for the first order the very start of the film makes plenty of sense with a narrative that doesn't have an agenda

 

Rose job was put in the Last Jedi to keep Finn away from Rey, so Reylo can happen, no one see this point even though people had mention other good points that is valid and true, but to one picture or image every one can see more than one goal. Rose prevent Finn from leaving, what would of happen if Finn left to head to Rey? This what would happen, Rey would not talk to Kylo Ren, and Finn would met her and Luke Skywalker. Rather yet Finn might help Rey to convince Luke to come back and to train them, and how? If Luke would seen Finn a former storm trooper went rouge this might sparked Luke that there is hope, and seeing Rey who comes from no where strong in the force, and Finn who right by her side cheering for her could of change the odds in the last Jedi, where Luke did not have to die.

Rose was only partner up with Finn so Reylo can happen, if you look at behind the scene with Rian Johnson about choosing Rose he said he look for some one who had chemistry with John . Because her working well with him on screen makes it convencing that they belong together, so when Reylo went down people would not been sad or say why in TFA Finn was screaming over Rey, even got killed over Rey, just for Rey to go to Kylo Ren in 8, so instead they match Finn up with Rose. It was clever but did not work, because Rose at the end kissed Finn he did not kiss her. Disney also knows that Finn and Rey will not sell a lot because of Finn being very black African actor, and most whites want to see Reylo because of that, so they played it out more in the movie, and only thing really going sell for the last Jedi. It did look nice to see Kylo and Rey fight back to back.

But ask your self what would of happen if Finn went to Rey where Luke was at , that Reylo could not happen, because Finn would been in Rey's face all the time, and it is clear his feelings for her is real, he hatch a plan to save her, he fought Kylo Ren who the son of Vader, and Finn not force sensitive according to Star Wars and was almost killed, he wakes up out his coma screaming Rey! Rose was put there to take all the forcus of his feelings in the move off Rey. Finn helps Rose because he see another alternative to help Rey, and the Resistance so he arch was already developed when he made the decision. He did not really need Rose for that because there was no Rose when Finn went to help Poe excape, there was no Rose when Finn hatch a plan to save Rey, and when he was confronted about the full plan by Han Solo , FInn was even open to trust on the Force, and at the end did not the Force save them and Finn by Rey using it, he did not need Rose for none of that, but BS from RJ he ignored every thing that was set in place in TFA.

 

What does that mean a narrative that doesn't have an agenda? What's the agenda?

 

Finn wasn't going to Rey. He had the tracker, so whenever Rey returned, she would go to where the tracker was.

If Finn left with the tracker and ended up on a remote planet, then Rey with still have the Force Skype with kylo.

But now when Rey returns, she wouldn't go to help out the resistance on Crait because Finn would have the tracker else where.

 

Finn was never going to Rey. He was trying to get as far away from the fleet as possible. He was taking Leia's beacon so when Rey returned, she wouldn't be in danger.

Rey and Finn will never be a thing because Rey will be a Jedi. Not because he's black. That's just nonsense. They will flirt with relationships for Rey, but none will come to fruition because she will be the Jedi that takes up the responsibility of restarting the order.

 

To me,that moment Rose passed unoscious Finn understood she loves him.
This moment he was no more rogue stormtrooper rebel boy,he became men,found himself.

Rose has given him what he needed to became complete.

Its true love.

 

I do not know about that because right now Disney is changing how the Force works, so forth so will be the Jedi way because right now Rey no Jedi, and Kylo Ren no sith , they already change the force as Rey the light as Snoke said to Kylo Ren when the dark rise the light rises to meet it, this explain why Rey so powerful because without her doing any work, or training, as long as Kylo Ren get strong she will also. So disney already changed how the force works so most likey how the new Jedi Order will work under Rey .