"Ryan has written a story thats unexpected but right!"

I kinda like that. This would match with Daisy's statement about meeting your heroes: "[...]it’s difficult when you meet your heroes because it might not be what you expect."

I actually think this happened to Ben Solo. Luke was trying something new and taught his nephew both sides of the force, the light and the dark. His "experiment" went wrong terribly.

 

I think the shocking thing will be the training. Luke will use dark side training for Rey, which will be shocking and somewhat upsetting compared to what we are used to.

 

Haha... Good ol' uncle Luke teaches the young hooligan some respect!

I'm kidding (obviously), but if this is true, it's by far the most violent act that Rey has been subjected to. Force choking is more than just violence, it's a display of rage and contempt directed against someone who is defenseless. It's meant no not only hurt/kill, but humiliate the victim at the same time. And when done to someone like Rey, it's beyond despicable. She would automatically see Luke as an enemy after that. I don't know if force choking Rey would make Luke look like a maniac (context is very important), but it would force (haha) Rey to reconsider everything she knows about "the good guys", and Luke in particular of course.

 

I would love something like this. I remember rumors before the release of TFA about Luke being crazy or driven to madness. It'd be interesting to see Luke brought back from the brink of darkness, perhaps as a parallel to Kylo's eventual/potential redemption.

 

This brings up another good point. Is there enough room 4 a Luke AND Ben redemption.

No. Because that's bad story telling.

Luke is lonely/angry/depressed or crazy or a mix of all. KR is confused.

I dont want both back.

 

Man, I just don't know.

I'm really excited about seeing something really new, and I think that Johnson's take looks like it's going to be the closest thing we've ever seen to bridging the prequels with the ST (which we were sort of primed for in Rogue One). I'm crazy excited for it, but I'm not gonna lie- I'm not without some concern.

To me, it feels like RJ might be overcorrecting on the "TFA was just ANH" and "Rogue One was just a fanboy cameo-fest" argument, and veering off a little too far into unknown territory. Could a maneuver like that work? Sure, it could be the greatest thing to happen to Star Wars since Empire. But it's a huge risk. I think TLJ is gonna sell tickets like crazy, but I don't think that necessarily means it's gonna be good. Still, trying to remain optimistic and hope for the best! After all, none of this necessarily means it'll be bad, either. There's just a lot of unknown right now, and I think that unnerves people a little.

 

I see what you are saying, but I don't agree with you here. Luke KNOWS that there's a difference. He marched to the precipice of that difference and chose death rather than going over. When we hear talk about "balance" nothing in me believes that means "part Jedi/part Sith". The dark side is an unnatural corruption of the Force, that is why kyber crystals "bleed" red when corrupted by it and turn white when cleansed. That in itself shows that there are two sides.

I think that when we hear "balance" we are talking more about the dogmatic codes of the Jedi and Sith. Think Bendu from Rebels. He doesn't live in the dark or the light, but he can sense both. This is where the "There's so much more" line from Luke comes from in the trailer. He's not talking "let's do some sith too". I think that we are going to find that Luke is more like Bendu. He's stopped looking at the force in terms of political parties. I think that we are going to find Luke to be where Qui-Gon might have been had he not been hindered by the Jedi Code.

THE LIVING FORCE, Y'ALL!!!

 

I would be bothered by this. Luke was the paragon. As I said, he went to the precipice of the dark side and instead of being swayed, he chose death. To find out that he's learned to enjoy dabbling in it off-screen over the last 30 years wouldn't sit right with me. Of course, I would not let it ruin my joy in seeing these characters again and I would adapt, but it wouldn't sit well.

I do agree that coming to know the true nature of the Force could very well have made him crazy to an extent. So far we have only seen Bendu as the only REAL balance of the Force and he was a manifestation of the Force, not a human with a limited mind and body.

 

I like your option a to your option b.

The idea that he experimented with "teaching both sides and it failed" is interesting but that puts Luke as the one to be redeemed and Kylo the monster he created. Ironically this would be a push back toward the dogma of the prequel Jedi. He tried something but it blew up.

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It would be very interesting if Luke was something like the Oracle from the Matrix. She looked at Neo "sorry you're not the one," even though he was. Morpheus just said, "she told you what you needed to hear." What if Luke speaks and acts difficult to fully understand because he is directed from the force but it is only understood in hindsight. Like oh he said "its time for the Jedi to end" but that is what Rey needed to hear to take her next step.