"Ryan has written a story thats unexpected but right!"

Here's the thing if Yoda had went and saved the day in the OT then Luke wouldn't have a learned a thing. Luke fails alot, yet he is a great Jedi. I think it takes a lifetime of unlearning and learning to have great wisdom. Jedi aren't perfect just human like everyone else. All about choices.

But I believe he will teach Rey the right way and then it will be her choice. I don't think Luke failed at teaching Ben at all. Ben made a choice of what to do with what he was being taught.

 

That doesn't really work. Yoda was not physically able to beat Palpatine and Vader at that point. Even if you don't count the PT. Luke on the other hand should still be more then capable of waxing Snoke and considering Kylo mitigating circumstances aside got bested by a novice the competition, he is no Vader. Unless Snoke is more powerful than Palpatine which of course would further beg the question where he was during the OT/PT.

 

I didn't say anything about Yoda fighting Vader. Saving the day.

 

Agreed -- with RJ's stated positioning of Rey/Kylo as two sides of the same coin, she'll likely find that she relates more to Kylo than to Luke, and perhaps sides with him in some situations.

 

Haven't been on the boards at all for the past two years so I bet someone's already suggested it, but the main conflict between Luke and Leia is probably going to be along the lines of:

Leia: 'You're a force god now, help the resistance."
Luke: 'Nuh-uh'

But not because he's given up. Probably closer to 'I-am-now-above-all-of-this' territory. And of course he'll be conflicted within himself regarding how much he's willing to help.

You can do a lot of big story pivots with this setup. For example, Leia dying because Luke refuses to intervene.

 

I'd love this. And it fits well with the twists and turns Rian spoke about.
But if the movie is going to be controversial, I'm not sure that will be the case.

 

RJ is a great director, love all his films, but I have to see the film for myself. Everyone thought GL was a GOD of film making until the prequels were released, so lets see what happens on Dec. 15. I believe LFM will embargo film reviews until the film is released.

 

Ahh but the Oracle looked at Neo and said "You’re not The One." Its what he needed to come to grips with things and take the steps to become The One.

How far will Luke push what "the Force wills" in his treatment of Rey. Yoda scted foolish and stole his candy bars. Luke might shoe her away get down right nasty, force her to fight a sea monster, threaten to end the Jedi before he pushes the right button with Rey.

 

I have compiled documented reports from people who have seen finished film.(film is finished and securely locked now).

Majority of people who sough film are pleased with the film,praising it.

Everyone explains film as very entertaining to watch.

All are reporting film brings unexpected things.

Majority see this new things as positive.

Minority,while praising creativity,have expressed reserve to some radical ideas in the film ,in a sense of challenging SW legacy.

One person
reportedly after watching film said he is releaved and happy that J.J.Abrams will dirrect episode IX and not Rian Johnson.

 

I get your point. But I was trying to say that if so, then we're going to think for a while (or for a lot of time) watching the movie that Luke has became a jerk.
However, in the end he will be revealed as a wise master.
We - the audience - we'll get some relief.

Nice plot, a lot of twists and turns but... you cannot reconcile it with:

Or you can, if a lot of this plot in particulary is going to be fully explained in IX.
It may be, but... I don't know.
Still I personally like the idea.

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That said I find more likely - at this point - something like the plot we've seen in Rebeles with Bendu-Kanan and Erza.

Sorry guys: but since the season III finale and more over given the trailer of season IV
to me it's preatty obvious that Bendu is not the Balance.
He's just what he always said to be: someone in the middle. Someone who doesn't take side.
And that's different.
Kanan learnt the lesson, he's moving forward and now he's saying "we are the balance", because "we were meant to be Jedi"
we were meant to be in right place, in the right time to do what the Will of the Force always whated us to do.
That same will shaped our destinies so far
to let us learnt what we should do and above all how to do it ("the question is how Jedi choose to win").

So, yeah.. perhaps Luke may be like Kanan and then he may change his mind, he may "see things differently".
But again, that will be postponed to IX.

 

Perhaps he has reached a deeper understanding of the force like anyone else but like some of the old philosophers he is aware how little of the huge potential of the force was really used for the "greater good" and how he himself went the wrong path with Ben and the whole prophecy thing. Simply too much for one old Jedi's shoulders. On the island tried to lock himself away because powerful beings like him or Yoda who try to do good just make things worse and decided to let ultimatly go everything and everyone, no envolvement of him in the big drama anymore. A bit like the opposite, what Snoke did. Not waiting to take and controll every thing and everyone... No control, no envolvement, no ties. Only meditation and contemplation, one with the living force on a remote place, comunicating with the light side, hoping for mercy for himself and all the other beings that bind themselves to power, control and wealth.... Luke the hermit...
And then Rey arrives with his lightsaber, the perfect symbol for everything that went wrong. Jedi's as warriors instead of force priests, following the path and logic of black and white, fighting against and killing other creatures of the living force.
I think it will need a lot of work to convince him, to get envolved again and I am not that sure anymore if Luke himself will really use a Lightsabre anymore. The only way I can imagine is that there is a situation where he has to shield Rey or himself against attackers. Just my opinion

 

It depends on how well executed the different is. Which in of itself is subjective. I am the kind of guy who is willing to give praise to a director who goes against the grain and conventions and does something different. Execution does matter, but even so; that in of itself should be commended. It is why when people discuss about the PT never needing to go that unique route; I say I disagree. Yes, execution matters, but being willing to be different takes guts. But I digress.

If RJ is willing to go an opposite direction to TFA and is willing to challenge my preconceptions of SWs, while managing to craft a good story; I will give praise to that. And really to answer your question, I'd prefer option A because it showcases some maturity and growth in Luke. This isn't the same Luke Skywalker of ANH or even ROTJ.

This is a guy who clearly has been through a lot, seeing all of his hard work erased, As such, he is going to be vulnerable. Now, what I'd hate to happen is if Luke was Yoda 2.0: a grumpy guy who has basically given up and won't train Rey. He can be disillusioned, cynical even and a bit dark. But really, the choice of training Rey should ultimately come from himself. Or more so seeing Rey's willingness which reminds him a lot of his older self or something.

Basically, have Luke pick himself up and actually have an impact. Because what TLJ needs to prove is why the galaxy needs him as TFA by all accounts; showed that he was unneeded. As for Rey being bratty/ angry; yes, please. That would actually add some character as opposed to the paper thin writing that Ridley was given. TLJ has a lot of ground to cover and I get most SWs fans want to clutch their pearls over the idea of differences in an irrational sense.

Among other unique different things, why not abridge the training/ showcase some new elements to training. ESB's training with Yoda was fantastic but limited due to the technology at the time. Now, it is 2017; so make use of all the modern filmmaking techniques of that time period. For example, deconstructing a Lightsaber with the Force, or perhaps Rey needs to go into an underwater cave to retrieve something and that requires her to use the Force to hold her breathe for an extended period.

Overall, I have faith in RJ. Because, if he is anything like the guy that I met years ago; he won't settle for doing what TFA did. Because the guy has got principles.

 

Hmm, interesting...and how do you feel about the attachment of this person with SW universe as well this minority, if you know what I mean?

 

Do you have a source you consider reliable for this? I've been seeing these rumors that "people have watched the finished film" and I honestly don't buy it.
IMHO, if anyone watched any version of the film by now, it would only be super high profile people (Iger, KK, JJ) who would never mention anything about it to externals.