Seeds of Rebellion

As for the Mon Calamari, the current canon is that those ships were initially a merchant fleet that rebelled. How exactly that went will be adressed in the next "Star Wars" comics issue, but it seemed like that had enough fuel to begin with.
Edit: pardon me, it was the Mon Calamari Merchant fleet.

 

Actually, A New Hope always actually came off as Han knowing exactly what was going on, how it got there, and that he just openly chose not to be involved because he had some sort of experience or understanding about how it doesn't work out well for people.

Here's the relevant section lots of folks take to mean Han's just out for himself, doesn't care, and that he wasn't already familiar with the Rebellion.

LUKE
So... you got your reward and you're
just leaving then?

HAN
That's right, yeah! I got some old
debts I've got to pay off with this
stuff. Even if I didn't, you don't
think I'd be fool enough to stick
around here, do you? Why don't you
come with us? You're pretty good in
a fight. I could use you.

LUKE
(getting angry)
Come on! Why don't you take a look
around? You know what's about to
happen, what they're up against.
They could use a good pilot like
you. You're turning your back on
them.

HAN
What good's a reward if you ain't
around to use it? Besides, attacking
that battle station ain't my idea of
courage. It's more like suicide.

LUKE
All right. Well, take care of
yourself, Han. I guess that's what
you're best at, isn't it?

Luke goes off and Han hesitates, then calls to him.

HAN
Hey, Luke... may the Force be with
you!

Luke turns and sees Han wink at him. Luke lifts his hand in
a small wave and then goes off.

Han turns to Chewie who growls at his captain,

HAN
What're you lookin' at? I know what
I'm doing.​

I always read this as someone who had personal background experience and was speaking from that experience to the naive Luke about how what was going to take place was not going to go well; again because he had witnessed it in his past in some manner.
Even Luke seemed to know that Han was well versed in things in this part.

Han just flat out says that he doesn't value going down that road because he sees it as suicide; not heroism.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

None. The Delegation of 2000 is still canon and was the first seeds of the rebellion. Bail and Mon Mothma were working from day one of the Empire to rebel. Ahsoka's novel takes place only a little into the Empire's reign and Bail is already coordinating small movements and it ends with Ahsoka becoming Fulcrum. Also Saw Gerrera and his Partisans were active from the very beginning.

 

Slightly off topic but why is

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Maul's

Crimson Dawn working with the Empire as told by Nest?

Everthing shown shows that

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Maul

(in canon) hates Palpatine and is doing everything 2 kill him?

 

Because Disney is telling a story how they want to, and you may be right, but I wouldn't assume anything. It was one shot with no context.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

Seeds of Rebellion are since the end of the Republic. Mon Mothma and Bail Organa quietly paying service while secretly doing things behind the scenes, Saw and his bunch. It was probably much quieter though in the early years of the Empire. As for Han,

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that whole deal he did get paid, and it gave him the means to get what he needed. I felt it was very in character to have helped after he heard her story, and he did benefit from that personally while also doing what he thought was right because he is more about individuals than causes. He could relate to this person he just met when he heard her story. I liked that foreshadowing though about he having what it took to be a good leader.

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I wanted an explaination about that as well. I'm sure there is some self serving reason though.

 

I'm glad this was brought up, because it sparked a friendly argument with my friend 10 minutes after leaving Solo.

According to him:
Han started the Rebellion. His take from Enfys Nest's quote was speaking about the ENTIRE Rebellion.

My take:
Nest's quote is speaking specifically to the Cloud Riders' efforts, NOT the entire galaxy. It's been established and shown over and over (esp via Rebels) that the Rebellion is a collection of cells across the galaxy, and that Mon Mothma, Bail Organa etc. are the founders. They collect cells and support as time goes on.

What's your take?

 

I think Obi sed it best....."From a Certain....."

 

Yeah, I'm sure that Enfys nest was speaking about "a" rebellion, not "the" Rebellion. More of a thematic tie than a significant lore one.

Not that Enfys might not be important in the Alliance going forward, but for now it's a smaller thing.

Maybe this is a good way to categorize the Rebellion's we've seen:


"Cell Level"
Localized "grassroots" rebellions- could be as small as a city-wide affair, or as large as a planetary or even system-wide revolution. Also, may be just a roving, smaller Rebel group.
Examples: The Spectres, Saw's Partisans, Shu-Torin revolution, Cloud Rider Gang

"Fulcrum Level"
A group of multiple cells, coming together to form a larger group
Examples: Phoenix Squadron, The Resistance (since they're an unofficial organization)

"Alliance Level"
A larger, official combatant officially in revolution.
Examples: The Alliance to Restore the Republic, (maybe the new rebellion in IX)

Maybe your friend could think of it like this:

Let's say you see a guy by the side of the road, trying to get some money by passersby.

You give him a $5.00 bill.

That guy goes on to eventually clean up, get a job, and work as a very successful civil rights lawyer.

Did you single-handedly reshape the course of your country's civil rights history? Or did you merely contribute in a small (but still meaningful) way to one experience?


Every little bit helps, and I don't mean to diminish Han's actions here- but he isn't one of the founding members of the Rebel Alliance. If anything, this is just meant to foreshadow some of Han's selflessness- ironically, before he becomes the true cynic we know him as, anyway.

 

i think Enfys is talking about the whole galaxy, not just her marauders: the coaxium can power a whole fleet.

also, sign me up for an Enfys Next standalone. holy cow what an awesome character. : D

 

So that basically would negate all that we know about Mothma, Organa, etc. in the way of them starting the Rebellion. I am just not convinced that is true based on Nest's single line of dialogue that seemed more symbolic than all-encompassing.

 

no, it just means Enfys went to the people like Mon Mothma, Bail, etc.; people with a farther reach/capacity and the start of some ready resources and said: here's enough coaxium to power a fleet ~ when can we start the fight?

in Leia: Princess of Alderaanm you see how careful the organizers of the Rebellion are before the war kicks off; how they are planning and struggling to gain supporters and resources. Enfys Nest is just one of these.

 

Yeah your scenario makes sense and is fine. The point my friend was making was that this was the true genesis of the overall Rebellion and I find that to be a silly takeaway.

 

Disney may start the rebellion whever they want.
Remember, they threw everything but the films out.


Cheers,
Jayson

 

Why not both?

The Spectres often got missions from fulcrum that benefitted the greater coalition of Rebels outside of themselves, and most of them had no idea where these boons were going to.

What if Enfys Nest and her Clound Riders simply report to a fulcrum (maybe the fulcrum!) and recovering this coaxium is simply one of their missions?

That way, it's not necessary for Enfyst to be a high ranking Rebel conspirator, but still be involved in some of the early Rebellion.